DP Debate/Nov2009

DP Debate Log

Dreasimy: Starting DP Debate, please hold unrelated comments until after the debate, thank you!

Dreasimy: Welcome to the November 2009 DP Debate, before we start a couple of candidates have a pre-debate statement including Hemptwister who could not attend today. I'll be posting comments he sent to me and Mariasha has a statement she would like to make as well. Go ahead Mariasha.

Dreasimy: The following is from Hemptwister:

Dreasimy: Hemptwister: Greetings my fellow Egyptians. I'm sorry I am unable to be here for this debate, but I have other obligations that need to be taken care of. In this DP election, we are fortunate to have a wide variety of choices. Many aspire to the position of Demi Pharaoh, but it is you, the hard working people of Egypt, that ultimately have the power to make a difference by choosing a leader that can make a difference. Choose wisely !

Dreasimy: Hemptwister: I'm sure most of the current crop of candidates would make a good leader, but there is one that stands out among the rest. Her tireless efforts on behalf of the betterment of Egypt have already made this telling more enjoyable for myself and many others. This is why I ask you, people of Egypt, to join me in my support of Kuupid for Demi Pharaoh.

Dreasimy: Hemptwister: Kuupid has given much of her time and energy to make Egypt a better place in which to live, My experiences with her have shown her to be fair, compassionate, and ready to listen. These are all traits that I would demand of a Demi Pharaoh, and Kuupid delivers. Her actions speak much louder than any words.

Dreasimy: Hemptwister: Many of the technologies that we Egyptians now enjoy are due to the selfless donations of time and energy that Kuupid and those like her have provided for us. She has been there for teh people of Egypt. It's time that we do the same for her. Thank you.

Dreasimy: While Mariasha is typing her statement, the rest of you can get ready to tell us a little about yourselves :)

Dreasimy: I'll go ahead and start posting through our debate and we'll post Mariasha whenever she submits what she wanted to say :)

BlueGrass: Hi there Egypt and thank-you to our Host Dreasimy. I've been playing Atitd since mid T3 and have always enjoyed the game and friends that I have made here. I'm from Johannesburg, South Africa so I fall under the Euro Time zone (GMT+2) I'm 34 years and current unemployed due to medical reasons so I have lots of time to play. I'm on most days and spend way to much time in game. In Game I spend most of my time in Stillwater working on helping my guild mates and working to passing tests. If I have missed anything please feel free to ask me.

kuupid: hi everyone, and thank you for being her for the debate. A little about myself. I have played ATITD since Tale 2. I'm 56 years old. Usually here most of the time. Although I did have a while there that I had health problems, but that is taken care of, and I am back. I am raising 2 grand daugthers, have had them since they were babies and now they are both terrible teenagers, lol. I have a pretty level head, and don't get upset to much. I am fair to all, and believe that all should be treated equally. I am also a good listener, and a good problem solver. I don't believe I am any better than anyone else in this game or in rl. I do love to cut up sometimes and make people laugh. I also like helping people and helping throughout Egypt.

Mariasha: I've decided to withdraw from this debate for a number of personal reasons, mainly due to health issues, however I do believe that the remaining candidates are a wonderful choice for Egypt for DP and some have already won the hearts of Egypt. :)

Mariasha: I wish the remaining candidates good luck in this round and I thank those who were in me in the previous rounds for having their confidence and trust in me. Maybe in the future I will reconsider rolling for DP again.

Dreasimy: Thank you Mariasha for being here to let us know :)

Dreasimy: Hopefully LaCidra is typing away ;)

BlueGrass: Thank-you Mariasha and we all wish you well with your health

kuupid: Ty Mariasha, and prayers will be going out for you for your health :). Hope you feel better soon.

LaCidra: Hi egypt :) I would first to thanks Dreamisy for her time and dedication. I would like to wish the best to other candidates also, let make egypt decided. I aslo wanted to say that I put my opinions on my user page if you wanted to reread or know more about me. About myself ... well player in T3, and I still here (lol). I'm spanish girl from las palmas, I speak french fluently and english because I'm university student of translation.

Dreasimy: Thanks candidates, now could you tell us about what you feel the role of DP is and why should Egypt vote for you to fill that role?

BlueGrass: The Role of DP: I see the DP role as that of a leader in our community. A role model on how people should act towards each other. I've always lived by the motto "treat people the same way that you would want other people to treat you." The more you help others out the more that others will be willing to help you out in time of need. The DP should be there once parties have realized there is no common ground that can be settled on. The DP should be the person that is able to look at the problem from both sides and then be able to help each of the parties come to a compromise if needed. I hope that I can fill that position.

BlueGrass: The why part: Well I think this is one the of hardest questions that someone can answer. I really don't think that it is a question that I should be answering. I think its up the the good people of egypt to answer that question for me. The way I handle myself is going to be the same way I handle myself if I am or of I am not the next DP. So I would rather change the question to "Do you think that I would be a good DP?" I realize that not everyone in the game has had contact with me and for them I can say that I personally think that Yes I would make a good DP. I always try and help people when I can and have always looked for the best solution to any problem that presents its self. I consider myself to be a fair and honest person. I also think that you might do well to ask people that have had contact with me how they find that I handle myself.

LaCidra: A DP for me is a mediator. DP have to exhaust all posibilities to try to resolve a crisis by use of patience, listening (the both parts involved), a bit of diplomacy, reason, understanding and more important ... fairness.

LaCidra: A DP have to be able to see each parts point of view to guide them to a compromise if it's possible. A DP has to be also a community leadership capable to get together Egytian people, dynamic, a model for the community on how he/she act and interact with the people around.

kuupid: DP to me is being able to help keep peace within Egypt, so we have a peaceful place to come to and enjoy playing. To help upkeep the laws of Egypt. A mentor, a problem solver, and a good listener. I feel they should be level headed and fair, and honest. I feel also I'm no more qualified than anyone else in this election, but I do pray for your vote.

Dreasimy: We've had some disputes already this tale some over land use (i.e. building in someone else's 'space') and building things that offend in other ways, such as a swastika shaped compound. What role do DPs have in these situations, how would you or have you handled these kinds of disputes?

kuupid: Land issues would be handled in taking to the person, and trying to reason with him/her about over crowding another. But a law would be nice to help prevent this :). The shape of a compound should also be handled with ease. Let them know how people feel about the shape, and why. Most would understand.

BlueGrass: Land issues: the best way is ti talk to the parties involved and work out what is going to be the best solution. Be that to tear down the offending building and replace the materials. But each situation is going to be different and need a different solution.

LaCidra: first, in egypt there is no land restricted use, first arrived first to get land is common law. However asking if you can build a reali oven (for example) in a place where someone already put cp around doesnt heart. I mean courtesy and respect to treat each player is always sweet and appreciated. It's always difficult to solve that kind of problems

Dreasimy: In the last election a law passed that would prevent anonymous use of explosives. How would you handle a situation where someone maliciously destroyed someone's belongings or say, a Chariot Stop. Does it matter what types of things are destroyed?

kuupid: Maliciuosly destroying someone elses place or a cs should be terms for a ban imo. It doesn't matter what is destroyed if it is done in malice, unless it's their own, or their own stones.

LaCidra: I agree too that use of explosives to intentionally damage a building is bannable offense. However, if the responsible try to repair this offense, punishment could change. I also think that including a DP doing such acts have to be punished, maybe just demoted from DP or remove his powers of ban

BlueGrass: Destruction of belongings: Working with explosive had to be done with care and safety in mind. Thus destruction of belongs by such explosive would be grounds for a ban. Explosive can benefit egypt but it should be done away from others belongings.

Dreasimy: Thank you candidates, let's see if the audience has some questions for you also, shall we?

Bobamuntung: Is stadning next to an automated machine that takes materials from you eg a carpenters bench, while afk, banable?

kuupid: we don't have machines that do that

kuupid: what are we going to do ban the machine?

Alexa: he means the carp bench i think, but he is not off line

benzrf: What are you gonna do about the swastika compound?

LaCidra: definitely, maybe not permament but yes. If you uses macro you have to be there ... in front of your computer. Dont do so and you are cheating other players, that's not fair :(

BlueGrass: That would depend if you are running a macro to keep that machine working

Dreasimy: Macro abuse is handled by GMs anyway, lets move on to benzrf's quesiton :)

kuupid: the answer to Benzrf's question is...that has already been dealt with by the present dp's.

kuupid: and no longer exists

darkfyre: the compound is gone...has been for a while

LaCidra: for the swastika cp, this is complex and I talked during the last round extensively about that. I think the shape is not really the problem but the meaning. Swastika was (long long time ago) a religious symbol and it is still in use. So what was the intention ? heart neighbours ? this is hard to determine. Changing the shape is the solution.

BlueGrass: I think that situation has been dealt with and no longer exists

Dreasimy: Any other listener questions? :)

MAMTeles: i see some cnadidates stating the compound no longer exists but i think would proove valuable to know how they would personaly handle such situation it it ever arises.

LaCidra: yes situation was solved, and emergency law fall itself on last ballot

kuupid: to handle the situation, I would politely explain that such a building is offensive to some players, and ask them to please change the shape of it.

LaCidra: talking and trying to know what was the intention under the shape. suggesting an inverted cross which means to attract spirituality and personal enlightment

BlueGrass: True. First you would have to talk to the build and find out his intentions and then work around finding a solution. tear down or change the shape of the compound and possible help with the replacement materials

Bobamuntung: where do you draw the line? Is a Christian cross ok? How about a pagan star (bout 3% of the british population follow paganism. Not myself but you see my point)

Dreasimy: Address questions to the candidates please not to other listeners, thanks :D

kuupid: I have seen many cross buildings, I don't feel that would be offensive. Pagaon star I feel might be, and should be asked to redesign.

BlueGrass: Its very difficult to draw a line. Each situation will require a different approach. What happens if these symbols are used in your rl neighborhoods. There has to be some tolerance in these situations

Bobamuntung: So you accept/promote specific religious leanings within Egypt Kuupid?

LaCidra: religious symbol are not a problem (at least for me). We are sharing the same land and we can arrive to an understanding situation and respect together. and maybe to learn from each other culture and way of thinking.

kuupid: because a building is made like a cross doen't necessarily mean it is a religious symbol. but a pagen buildi is

Bobamuntung: I think you know by cross I was talking about the crucifix shape. Which, intentionally or not, is a religious symbol.

Ahhotep: This is a ridiculous conversation

Alexa: yes it is

Dreasimy: One last question on this topic and we'll move on ;)

MAMTeles: would it be acceptable to blow up an "offensive" building if the owner refused to be reasonable and change its appearance?

kuupid: I do know what a cross is, but I still feel that most don't see it that way. As I said before, I have seen many cross shaped buildings, and none have been stated as religious.

BlueGrass: No I wouldn't say that it would be acceptable - there are better ways to handle the situation

OZtwo: odd enough I haven't seen anything offensive things here in Egypt...

kuupid: No, it isn't acceptable to blow up an offensive building, or any building for that matter. but a banning would be in order if they didn't change the shape....hence the emergency law that was on the ballot.

LaCidra: not at all, if you are attacking you are making a bannable offense yourself ... you just demostrate you are not better than the one who dont want to open his mind to your points of view. Ask emergency law ...

Dreasimy: Ok moving on now :)

Hathorum: on an average weekday, how many hours do you play?

LaCidra: way too much lol

kuupid: That is a hard question....get's out calculator.... 84 plus hours a week

BlueGrass: lol - yes way too much - around 10 hours for today

Dreasimy: DPs notoriously catch DP disease after becoming DP, disappearing for long periods at a time... it's very mysterious, what do you think causes this condition? Do you feel you are immune? How so?

Spooner: so does that mean that we vote for the person we want to get rid of? ;)

Dreasimy: bad spooner

kuupid: I feel it might be burn out of the game. I don't feel I'll get a big head over a DP title, I'm the same as everyone else. I feel immune because I've had to be gone due to health reasons and didn't like it. I love being here, and enjoy the people here. My health problems are over for the most part, and I am so so glad that I can spend all my free time in Egypt.

BlueGrass: Cause: Over bearing people that want DP's to sort out every little problem that they are having when they are more the able to sort out their problems with just talking to the other person/parties involved.

BlueGrass: Immune: Yes I like to think so. I don't have anything else to keep me busy with in rl and I'm not the type that likes the WoW games

LaCidra: well since I'm playing in egypt I almost never get offline for a long time, except for travels and I could not see the day to get back home to play again and speak with friends here. and for the disease, I dont know, maybe they just get bored or feel they dont have objectives, this is a point that I personnally cant see in myself. There is always something to do, a hand to give ...

Dreasimy: Candidates, thanks for your candor today, I'm sure you will soon be finding your chats lit up by people who have further questions of you and those who were unable to attend today. Can you give us some final thoughts that you think the voters ought to know? :)

LaCidra: thanks dream, thanks egypt for your attention. see you all around, and have a nice playing time :D

Dreasimy: oops LaCidra didn't mean to post that one yet I think :D

Dreasimy: In fact we have a couple more questions that peeked in to the board, Im gonna throw those out right now

Aleena: What do you think abot griefing acts if it doesn't look so bad to ban anybody but talking doesn't give any solutions either and players decide to quit game cos of it? Or what would you do then?

MAMTeles: i would like to know what languages each of the candidates can handle themselves in a conversation

kuupid: We need more laws on greifing, griefing can be in different forms as well. I feel a warning or 2 could be issued, and then discussed with other DP's.

kuupid: I only speak English, but I have a translator for french, who would help me in that area.

BlueGrass: MAMTales. I can only do English and a little Afrikaans (But not sure many people know that one)

BlueGrass: Agreed we need laws about grefing. even if its just code f conduct laws

Dreasimy: if any listeners have questions we haven't covered they *really* want to ask, post them to me now on E!, otherwise we are going to wrap up :D

LaCidra: laws about greifing acts need to be completed you are right aleena pointing out this topic. It is hard to force somebody to do something. And about language, well I can manage some already but I think the personality is more important. There is always a translator program or a web to translate

LaCidra: I dont need this I'm spanish and speaks french fluently and english (even if I need mor work on this part :P). We could find a way to understand each other nop with that :)

Dreasimy: some questions are being asked that have been covered already... Ill be posting the log of this debate on the wiki, the link will be on the main page a little while after this wraps up

BryceCicada: i'd like to know how the candidates would change the DP authorities, if they could

Dreasimy: You mean change the DP powers Bryce?

BryceCicada: yes sorry.

Dreasimy: ok just checking :D Candidates? What do you think are you for expanding DP powers? lessening them? Why?

BlueGrass: I don't think that DP Powers should be expanded. I don't see the need

kuupid: One DP couldln't change anything, and I think that only Teppy if he would allow us to have more power, or less. But I think DP powers are fine the way they are.

LaCidra: I would propose not an increase of powers but a regulation of those powers of ban, for example a voting round for ban, not to make this a personal decision. But more powers could be great but which one ? This is hard to say but should be discussed more extensively

Dreasimy: Ok and now for the final thoughts the candidates would like to share with you all (if you feel your question wasn't fully asked or answered I encourage you to seek out the candidates after we wrap up the debate) :) Candidates, parting thoughts? :D

LaCidra: about thoughts, I wish the best for all other candidates, choose wisely egypt the person, you have a huge responsability on hands ;) visit my wiki page if you wanted to rereade about some topics :)

kuupid: I am willing and able to help anywhere I can. I am honest, and fair to all. I feel that I would be an asset to Egypt as a DP, and being able to help make it a wonderful place to be. Most come and play to relax and enjoy the game, and have fun. Good luck to all the canidates, and place your votes wisely. HUGS to all of Egypt, and ty all for participating.

BlueGrass: Thank-you again Dreasimy for your time and I would like to wish the best to all the Candidates and Hope that the Good people of Egypt will vote from their hearts and we will have the best person for the role of the new DP. if you would like any other questions answered please feel free to open a chat with me. You can find more info on my user page:

BlueGrass: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:BlueGrass/DP

BlueGrass: Feel free to chat me I'm realy a friendly guy. Thank-you egypt for your time and reading this debate

Dreasimy: Thanks everyone! Ill post the log very soon :D Thanks for all of our questioning citizens and candidates and for our 2 candidates Hemptwister and Mariasha who let us know where they stand.

kuupid: Thank you Dreasimy for your time, and well organized debate :)

Dreasimy: E! is back to it's normal broadcastiness

LaCidra: like i say 15 minutes ago, thanks dream, and thanks egypt for listening and for your attention :) have a nice playing time, I'm always open to speak so dont doubt to chat me :P

Dreasimy: hehe sorry LaCidra :D

kuupid: ya'll can chat me also at any time :)

MAMTeles: don't chat me, as i'm not running for DP :)

LaCidra: nop dream ;) thanks so much to you for making this possible

Dreasimy: <watches MAMTeles get 49 new chat tabs>