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| − | + | -- I have some earlier chat with YendorHut, MrFubar, and nezbia, but I'm holding off posting it until the others have OK'd the post (it's not that much) -- | |
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| − | + | 2 days 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | Arame: Howdy there, all<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: Hello Arame!<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: Catching up on some of the chat so far - with everyone's consent, I'll start logging that as well, so we don't lose any to the foul scroll-away.<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: For the record, I've probably got the strongest name recognition, but that doesn't necessarily make me the strongest leader, to MrFubar's comment. Burying my head in spreadsheets for a week or two doesn't necessarily qualify as leadership ;)<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: Lol... understood :)<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: I also didn't catch who else is in this round - scrolled away from me!<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: Umm... i know one is nunzia<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: Thank ya - I'm sure the others will pop in later today as well, so we'll find out soon enough.<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: Most I don't know but have seen around on an occasion<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: Yes, I feel a little intimidated because I am the newest person here :)<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: I | + | Arame: I definitely recognize a couple of the names from E! or from around Egypt, yes.<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: this is my first tale... and the shortest time in egypt compared you ya'll! ;)<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: Eh, don't be too intimidated. Name recognitiion is helpful for the final election, but not necessarily the end-all be-all.<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: I understand.... I guess I fear that this being a popularity test versus who is best for the position<br/> |
| − | + | Arame: Well, it partly is. There are going to be some people that will vote based on "Hey, I've heard of that guy, and not in a bad way." - but most people (I hope) are going to read the debates and choose the best candidate.<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: Yes, I think you always have that... I am not in it for popularity... :)<br/> | |
| − | + | Arame: All that said, I am running for this seriously (already passed KM).<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: I could put out a campaign... <br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: but... they are words... I would rather show people how I am<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: and I hope those that i do come in contact with.. have seen that<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | Arame: Yeah, that's always the difficult part, putting the how into words in these debates.<br/> |
| − | nezbia: | + | Arame: FYI - I'm just on lunch - I operate at GMT-4 right now.<br/> |
| − | + | Arame: So, would you like to talk about why we each want to be DP or feel that we'd be good for the role? I have a limited timeframe, but we can start that discussion, if you'd like.<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: That is fine Arame<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: I know for me... dp is a title<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: I lead by example at all times<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: I am honest, I don't judge and believe I am fair<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: I | + | Arame: All good qualities for a DP to have.<br/> |
| − | nezbia: I am | + | nezbia: As to why I want to be dp... I believe that as a leader .. they should be able to follow<br/> |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: be open<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: and most of all... <br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: have respect for t hemselves first... so they can better respect others<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: I can say.. I have been in rl leadership roles... <br/> | |
| − | nezbia: I | + | nezbia: and to vote for me... but I want to gain the trust of the players in the group<br/> |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: Show them.. I am not full of bull and would honestly do the best job possible! :)<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: I am not well known... however, I am well liked :)<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: I | + | nezbia: Those who know me... they are the one's who encouraged me to run for dp<br/> |
| − | + | Arame: Great, that's a good sign!<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: don't get me wrong.. :)<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: I am the biggest sweetheart around... but i don't tolerate disrespect either<br/> |
| − | + | Arame: I'm always torn as to whether to go after DP myself - it's a lot of responsibility to take on, and part of my approach to Egypt is that it *is* a game.<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: I have already come across someone in my guild that was kicked out for it...<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: It is a game! :) and it is a big responsibility<br/> | |
| − | nezbia: | + | Arame: But, because we're dealing with other RL people, there's more of a commitment than a "normal"? game.<br/> |
| − | nezbia: | + | nezbia: And yes.. knowing who to vote for... is a problem<br/> |
| − | + | nezbia: Yes I agree.<br/> | |
| − | + | nezbia: What I find myself doing is asking those I know about the dp caniddates<br/> | |
| + | nezbia: what do they know of them... what kind of person are they<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Good approach to take, yes.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I know anyone can say anything...<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: but it doesn't always come from there heart<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: For me.. I speak from the heart.. what you see is what you get :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Right on! I'll admit, I have a cynicism filter on most of my chat - I am naturally cynical, but I keep it in check in chats & such.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: (and you don't want to drive in a car with me, I'm loud & obnoxious, with the windows up!!)<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: lol<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: As far as myself and DP is concerned, I see the DP as having a number of potential roles in Egypt - and I say potential, because not every DP will fit every role.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: nod<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: DP as leader - someone who organizes events and activities (Rabble is the best example of this in Egypt, I think).<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: DP as mediator - someone who helps to resolve conflicts. This usually tends to be more low-key.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: nod<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: DP as a figurehead - the title itself suggests a certain level of confidence Egypt-wide in the person, so their word might count for more in a discussion.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: And DP as mentor - someone who really helps out new people, or helps people achieve goals that they might be struggling with.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I'm leaving out DP as disciplinarian - I don't think it's a very valid role for the DP, even though the ban is what many focus on.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: It is... <br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I believe it does go deeper than that .. you are an expample of a true citizen<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: As far as my suitability - I'm a decent leader, although I keep it fairly localized. I organized a pilgrimage (with friends and with strangers-now-friends). I've organized a pyramid-build, but with a small group of people.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: With mentor, I'm probably better at helping established people than mentoring new people - I've helped a lot of people with resin for ovens, and I helped some of the early silk-farmers with mats for more farms (figuring the more the better). I give assistance to new people in regional when they ask, but I don't really go out of my way to chase mentoring opportunities.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I do not have the background most of you all do, however, with me being new to the game.. it gives egypt a freshe pair of eyes! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Very true - and I only played a bit of T3, so I'm not *that* experienced with the game. I rely on my guildmates, frequently, to answer questions - especially about advanced techs.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Part of being a leader is admitting you don't know all<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I will be the first person to ask for help or if I don't know to let someone know I don't know but i will get the answer for them<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: From a figurehead perspective, I think I've already got a certain "status" (probably not the right word I'm looking for), so that aspect wouldn't change much, I'd think.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: the only status i have here .. is i am the only person who met players before becoming one! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: LOL<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I was at the meet in pgh... so I met a lot of them... :)<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: that was how I ended up here <br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I saw that you were in the player meet guild! That's an advantage in and of itself :)<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Lol... they were just happy i didn't kick them out!! lol<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: j/k<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: lol<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Naw.. they were a good bunch of people... <br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I loved talking with them..<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: How did you happen to go to the Meet?<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: It was at the hotel I work at..<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I met a few who showed up before the meet started...<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Ah, cool - that explains the "kick them out"! I'm slow today!<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: then... ended up meeting them all! :)<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Yes.. I am security there! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Excellent. I used to do some bouncing on the weekends, but not sure that's even in the same ballpark.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: In a way... our job is to keep order.. :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Yepper - stop problems before they start!<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Exactly! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: The mediator role, though, to touch on that, is the toughest to prove out in-game. I imagine you do deal with that quite a bit through your job, though.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I'm a software engineer, so it's not actively a big part of my everyday life.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I can only say that I'm good at balancing both sides and understanding different perspectives, especially in things like the obelisk queue.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Sometimes you have to agree to disagree, but convincing others of that is where the real challenge comes into play.<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: (and if I had an easy answer for that one, I'd have used it already!!)<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: Yes.. to find a reasonable solution is not always easy<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: conflict resolution is not for everyone<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I happen to be good at ... that is why i do what i do<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Very nice<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: I can diffuse almost any situation...<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: and come to a resolution<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: to where everyone is appeased<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: but don't have a problme asking people to leave either! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: LOL<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I do want to hear a little more about the in-guild problem you mentioned earlier, and how you handled that situation. . . but, I need to get back to RL here.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: no problem.. I am sure I will catch you at some point of the next couple of days<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Before I run off - do you mind if I log this chat where everyone else can get to it? Makes it a bit easier to communicate with everyone on different timezones, etc.<br/> | ||
| + | nezbia: That is fine... :) It has been a pleasure! :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: Pleasure's mine :)<br/> | ||
| + | Arame: I'll drop that @ User:Arame/TempChat (unless someone has a better spot for it). Feel free to /copy from here and add to it (please) when I'm not about.<br/> | ||
Revision as of 17:25, 29 April 2009
-- I have some earlier chat with YendorHut, MrFubar, and nezbia, but I'm holding off posting it until the others have OK'd the post (it's not that much) --
2 days 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round.
Arame: Howdy there, all
nezbia: Hello Arame!
Arame: Catching up on some of the chat so far - with everyone's consent, I'll start logging that as well, so we don't lose any to the foul scroll-away.
Arame: For the record, I've probably got the strongest name recognition, but that doesn't necessarily make me the strongest leader, to MrFubar's comment. Burying my head in spreadsheets for a week or two doesn't necessarily qualify as leadership ;)
nezbia: Lol... understood :)
Arame: I also didn't catch who else is in this round - scrolled away from me!
nezbia: Umm... i know one is nunzia
Arame: Thank ya - I'm sure the others will pop in later today as well, so we'll find out soon enough.
nezbia: Most I don't know but have seen around on an occasion
nezbia: Yes, I feel a little intimidated because I am the newest person here :)
Arame: I definitely recognize a couple of the names from E! or from around Egypt, yes.
nezbia: this is my first tale... and the shortest time in egypt compared you ya'll! ;)
Arame: Eh, don't be too intimidated. Name recognitiion is helpful for the final election, but not necessarily the end-all be-all.
nezbia: I understand.... I guess I fear that this being a popularity test versus who is best for the position
Arame: Well, it partly is. There are going to be some people that will vote based on "Hey, I've heard of that guy, and not in a bad way." - but most people (I hope) are going to read the debates and choose the best candidate.
nezbia: Yes, I think you always have that... I am not in it for popularity... :)
Arame: All that said, I am running for this seriously (already passed KM).
nezbia: I could put out a campaign...
nezbia: but... they are words... I would rather show people how I am
nezbia: and I hope those that i do come in contact with.. have seen that
Arame: Yeah, that's always the difficult part, putting the how into words in these debates.
Arame: FYI - I'm just on lunch - I operate at GMT-4 right now.
Arame: So, would you like to talk about why we each want to be DP or feel that we'd be good for the role? I have a limited timeframe, but we can start that discussion, if you'd like.
nezbia: That is fine Arame
nezbia: I know for me... dp is a title
nezbia: I lead by example at all times
nezbia: I am honest, I don't judge and believe I am fair
Arame: All good qualities for a DP to have.
nezbia: As to why I want to be dp... I believe that as a leader .. they should be able to follow
nezbia: be open
nezbia: and most of all...
nezbia: have respect for t hemselves first... so they can better respect others
nezbia: I can say.. I have been in rl leadership roles...
nezbia: and to vote for me... but I want to gain the trust of the players in the group
nezbia: Show them.. I am not full of bull and would honestly do the best job possible! :)
nezbia: I am not well known... however, I am well liked :)
nezbia: Those who know me... they are the one's who encouraged me to run for dp
Arame: Great, that's a good sign!
nezbia: don't get me wrong.. :)
nezbia: I am the biggest sweetheart around... but i don't tolerate disrespect either
Arame: I'm always torn as to whether to go after DP myself - it's a lot of responsibility to take on, and part of my approach to Egypt is that it *is* a game.
nezbia: I have already come across someone in my guild that was kicked out for it...
nezbia: It is a game! :) and it is a big responsibility
Arame: But, because we're dealing with other RL people, there's more of a commitment than a "normal"? game.
nezbia: And yes.. knowing who to vote for... is a problem
nezbia: Yes I agree.
nezbia: What I find myself doing is asking those I know about the dp caniddates
nezbia: what do they know of them... what kind of person are they
Arame: Good approach to take, yes.
nezbia: I know anyone can say anything...
nezbia: but it doesn't always come from there heart
nezbia: For me.. I speak from the heart.. what you see is what you get :)
Arame: Right on! I'll admit, I have a cynicism filter on most of my chat - I am naturally cynical, but I keep it in check in chats & such.
Arame: (and you don't want to drive in a car with me, I'm loud & obnoxious, with the windows up!!)
nezbia: lol
Arame: As far as myself and DP is concerned, I see the DP as having a number of potential roles in Egypt - and I say potential, because not every DP will fit every role.
nezbia: nod
Arame: DP as leader - someone who organizes events and activities (Rabble is the best example of this in Egypt, I think).
Arame: DP as mediator - someone who helps to resolve conflicts. This usually tends to be more low-key.
nezbia: nod
Arame: DP as a figurehead - the title itself suggests a certain level of confidence Egypt-wide in the person, so their word might count for more in a discussion.
Arame: And DP as mentor - someone who really helps out new people, or helps people achieve goals that they might be struggling with.
Arame: I'm leaving out DP as disciplinarian - I don't think it's a very valid role for the DP, even though the ban is what many focus on.
nezbia: It is...
nezbia: I believe it does go deeper than that .. you are an expample of a true citizen
Arame: As far as my suitability - I'm a decent leader, although I keep it fairly localized. I organized a pilgrimage (with friends and with strangers-now-friends). I've organized a pyramid-build, but with a small group of people.
Arame: With mentor, I'm probably better at helping established people than mentoring new people - I've helped a lot of people with resin for ovens, and I helped some of the early silk-farmers with mats for more farms (figuring the more the better). I give assistance to new people in regional when they ask, but I don't really go out of my way to chase mentoring opportunities.
nezbia: I do not have the background most of you all do, however, with me being new to the game.. it gives egypt a freshe pair of eyes! :)
Arame: Very true - and I only played a bit of T3, so I'm not *that* experienced with the game. I rely on my guildmates, frequently, to answer questions - especially about advanced techs.
nezbia: Part of being a leader is admitting you don't know all
nezbia: I will be the first person to ask for help or if I don't know to let someone know I don't know but i will get the answer for them
Arame: From a figurehead perspective, I think I've already got a certain "status" (probably not the right word I'm looking for), so that aspect wouldn't change much, I'd think.
nezbia: the only status i have here .. is i am the only person who met players before becoming one! :)
Arame: LOL
nezbia: I was at the meet in pgh... so I met a lot of them... :)
nezbia: that was how I ended up here
Arame: I saw that you were in the player meet guild! That's an advantage in and of itself :)
nezbia: Lol... they were just happy i didn't kick them out!! lol
nezbia: j/k
Arame: lol
nezbia: Naw.. they were a good bunch of people...
nezbia: I loved talking with them..
Arame: How did you happen to go to the Meet?
nezbia: It was at the hotel I work at..
nezbia: I met a few who showed up before the meet started...
Arame: Ah, cool - that explains the "kick them out"! I'm slow today!
nezbia: then... ended up meeting them all! :)
nezbia: Yes.. I am security there! :)
Arame: Excellent. I used to do some bouncing on the weekends, but not sure that's even in the same ballpark.
nezbia: In a way... our job is to keep order.. :)
Arame: Yepper - stop problems before they start!
nezbia: Exactly! :)
Arame: The mediator role, though, to touch on that, is the toughest to prove out in-game. I imagine you do deal with that quite a bit through your job, though.
Arame: I'm a software engineer, so it's not actively a big part of my everyday life.
Arame: I can only say that I'm good at balancing both sides and understanding different perspectives, especially in things like the obelisk queue.
Arame: Sometimes you have to agree to disagree, but convincing others of that is where the real challenge comes into play.
Arame: (and if I had an easy answer for that one, I'd have used it already!!)
nezbia: Yes.. to find a reasonable solution is not always easy
nezbia: conflict resolution is not for everyone
nezbia: I happen to be good at ... that is why i do what i do
Arame: Very nice
nezbia: I can diffuse almost any situation...
nezbia: and come to a resolution
nezbia: to where everyone is appeased
nezbia: but don't have a problme asking people to leave either! :)
Arame: LOL
Arame: I do want to hear a little more about the in-guild problem you mentioned earlier, and how you handled that situation. . . but, I need to get back to RL here.
nezbia: no problem.. I am sure I will catch you at some point of the next couple of days
Arame: Before I run off - do you mind if I log this chat where everyone else can get to it? Makes it a bit easier to communicate with everyone on different timezones, etc.
nezbia: That is fine... :) It has been a pleasure! :)
Arame: Pleasure's mine :)
Arame: I'll drop that @ User:Arame/TempChat (unless someone has a better spot for it). Feel free to /copy from here and add to it (please) when I'm not about.
