Difference between revisions of "User:Aphenro/Vines/Tannin"

Latest revision as of 03:28, 13 November 2009

This is a work in progress. I'm still tracking the barrels and so far the numbers corroborate the formula.

Understanding Tannin

You’re an aspiring chemist and you want/need to make some Wood, Worm or Grain spirits in an alembic. Surfing through the wiki you read that you need wine with high tannin. You’ve got your grapes; you load them into the barrel and wait. Periodically you siphon off a sample and check the tannin level. Unfortunately the levels are not going up very fast. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to predict which grapes will give the most tannin. Well now we can. As it turns out tannin is developed in wine from three characteristics, colour (C), skin (K) and patience (time). In fact the formula is relatively straight forward.

Where:
T is the amount of tannin.
C is the colour value of the grapes.
K is the skin value of the grapes.
ETD is the amount of Egypt time (in days) the wine has been in the barrel.

Alternate formula: T=C*K/100*(1-2^(-ETD/21))

From this you can see that the maximum tannin possible is the colour value multiplied by the skin value divided by 100. So when you pick with vines/grapes to use you must also look for a C phenome. Colour is just as important as skin! Having wine with a skin value of 300 but a colour value of 10 will only yield 30 tannin. But if you could magically take 100 points from skin and put them into colour the maximum tannin jumps to 220 (110 X 200 / 100).

Furthermore you won’t have to guess how long you have to wait for the tannin to develop. After 21 Egypt days (approximately a RL week) the wine in the barrel will have developed half its maximum tannin. If you can wait another 21 Egypt days that value will rise to 75% of maximum.

As you can see from the data below the formula predicts the actual very closely. The differences are probably attributable to some rounding issues between my spreadsheet and game.

Data

Test #1

Vine	Phenome	Wine	Hue	Barrel
Tedra's Tannin	ACCKKKS	Aphenro Tannin Test Alpha	Red	Alpha

Acid	Colour	Grapes	Quality	Skin	Sugar	Vigor	Max. Tannin
55	91	37	25	132	6	1	120.12	<== Colour X Skin

Egypt Time	Alcohol	Sugar	Tannin	Acid	Elapsed Time (ETD)	Tannin Predicted	Difference
Akhet IV-12 23:35	0.0	3.0	0.0	5.5	-	-	-
Akhet IV-14 04:50	0.2	2.9	4.8	5.5	1.22	4.7	0.1
Akhet IV-15 12:35	0.5	2.7	9.7	5.5	2.54	9.7	0.0
Akhet IV-17 02:40	0.8	2.6	15.4	5.5	4.13	15.3	0.1
Akhet IV-18 02:30	0.9	2.5	18.7	5.5	5.12	18.7	0.0
Akhet IV-20 16:05	1.4	2.3	27.0	5.5	7.69	26.9	0.1
Akhet IV-23 15:10	1.8	2.1	35.7	5.5	10.65	35.6	0.1
Akhet IV-26 06:10	2.1	1.9	42.6	5.5	13.27	42.6	0.0
Akhet IV-29 00:26	2.5	1.7	49.5	5.5	16.04	49.4	0.1
Peret I-5 09:55	3.1	1.4	62.9	5.5	22.43	62.8	0.1
Peret I-9 16:15	3.5	1.2	70.4	5.5	26.69	70.4	0.0
Peret I-12 07:40	3.7	1.1	74.8	5.5	29.34	74.5	0.3
Peret I-15 01:00	3.9	1.0	78.6	5.5	32.06	78.4	0.2
Peret I-17 13:20	4.1	0.9	81.6	5.5	34.57	81.7	-0.1
Peret I-22 23:10	4.4	0.8	88.0	5.5	39.98	88.0	0.0
Peret I-25 11:10	4.5	0.7	90.6	5.5	42.48	90.6	0.0
Peret I-28 09:05	4.7	0.6	93.3	5.5	45.40	93.3	0.0
Peret II-1 01:05	4.8	0.6	95.6	5.5	48.06	95.5	0.1
Peret II-3 17:30	4.9	0.5	97.7	5.5	50.75	97.6	0.1

Test #2

Vine	Phenome	Wine	Hue	Barrel
Tedra's Tannin	ACCKKKS	Aphenro Tannin Test Beta	Red	Beta

Acid	Colour	Grapes	Quality	Skin	Sugar	Vigor	Max. Tannin
16	32	46	16	133	11	3	42.56	<== Colour X Skin

Egypt Time	Alcohol	Sugar	Tannin	Acid	Elapsed Time (ETD)	Tannin Predicted	Difference
Akhet IV-12 23:50	0.0	5.5	0.0	1.6	-	-	-
Akhet IV-14 04:50	0.4	5.3	1.7	1.6	1.21	1.7	0.0
Akhet IV-15 12:35	0.9	5.0	3.4	1.6	2.53	3.4	0.0
Akhet IV-17 02:40	1.4	4.8	5.4	1.6	4.12	5.4	0.0
Akhet IV-18 02:30	1.7	4.5	6.6	1.6	5.11	6.6	0.0
Akhet IV-20 16:05	2.5	4.2	9.5	1.6	7.68	9.5	0.0
Akhet IV-23 15:10	3.3	3.8	12.6	1.6	10.64	12.6	0.0
Akhet IV-26 06:10	3.9	3.5	15.1	1.6	13.26	15.1	0.0
Akhet IV-29 00:26	4.5	3.2	17.5	1.6	16.03	17.5	0.0
Peret I-5 09:55	5.8	2.6	22.3	1.6	22.42	22.3	0.0
Peret I-9 16:15	6.4	2.3	24.9	1.6	26.68	24.9	0.0
Peret I-12 07:40	6.8	2.1	26.4	1.6	29.33	26.4	0.0
Peret I-15 01:00	7.2	1.9	27.8	1.6	32.05	27.8	0.0
Peret I-17 13:20	7.5	1.7	29.0	1.6	34.56	29.0	0.0
Peret I-22 23:10	8.1	1.4	31.2	1.6	39.97	31.2	0.0
Peret I-25 11:10	8.3	1.3	32.1	1.6	42.47	32.1	0.0
Peret I-28 09:05	8.5	1.2	33.1	1.6	45.39	33.0	0.1
Peret II-1 01:05	8.8	1.1	33.9	1.6	48.05	33.8	0.1
Peret II-3 17:30	8.9	1.0	34.6	1.6	50.74	34.6	0.0

Test #3

Vine	Phenome	Wine	Hue	Barrel
Aphenro#4	KKKAC	Aphenro Tannin Test Gamma	Dark Red	Gamma

Acid	Colour	Grapes	Quality	Skin	Sugar	Vigor	Max. Tannin
75	82	51	30	229	35	2	187.78	<== Colour X Skin

Egypt Time	Alcohol	Sugar	Tannin	Acid	Elapsed Time (ETD)	Tannin Predicted	Difference
Akhet IV-15 12:20	0.0	17.5	0.0	7.5	-	-	-
Akhet IV-17 02:40	1.8	16.6	9.6	7.5	1.60	9.6	0.0
Akhet IV-18 02:30	2.9	16.0	15.4	7.5	2.59	15.4	0.0
Akhet IV-20 16:05	5.5	14.7	29.5	7.5	5.16	29.4	0.1
Akhet IV-23 15:10	8.2	13.4	44.1	7.5	8.12	44.1	0.0
Akhet IV-26 06:10	10.5	12.2	56.1	7.5	10.74	56.1	0.0
Akhet IV-29 00:26	11.6	11.7	67.6	7.5	13.50	67.5	0.1
Peret I-5 09:55	11.9	11.5	90.5	7.5	19.90	90.4	0.1
Peret I-9 16:15	12.1	11.4	103.3	7.5	24.16	103.2	0.1
Peret I-12 07:40	12.2	11.4	110.2	7.5	26.81	110.3	-0.1
Peret I-15 01:00	12.3	11.3	117.0	7.5	29.53	116.9	0.1
Peret I-17 13:20	12.3	11.3	122.6	7.5	32.04	122.6	0.0
Peret I-22 23:10	12.5	11.2	133.3	7.5	37.45	133.2	0.1
Peret I-25 11:10	12.5	11.2	137.6	7.5	39.95	137.6	0.0
Peret I-28 09:05	12.6	11.2	142.1	7.5	42.86	142.2	-0.1
Peret II-1 01:05	12.6	11.2	146.1	7.5	45.53	146.0	0.1
Peret II-3 17:30	12.7	11.1	149.7	7.5	48.22	149.5	0.2

Test #4

Vine	Phenome	Wine	Hue	Barrel
Aphenro's Q Ball	ACGKQQSV	Aphenro Tannin Test Delta	White	Delta

Acid	Colour	Grapes	Quality	Skin	Sugar	Vigor	Max. Tannin
123	98	179	190	38	103	3	37.24	<== Colour X Skin

Egypt Time	Alcohol	Sugar	Tannin	Acid	Elapsed Time (ETD)	Tannin Predicted	Difference
Akhet IV-18 08:45	0.0	51.5	0.0	12.3	-	-	-
Akhet IV-20 16:05	7.6	47.7	2.8	12.3	2.31	2.7	0.1
Akhet IV-23 15:10	10.7	46.1	5.9	12.3	5.27	5.9	0.0
Akhet IV-26 06:10	11.1	45.9	8.5	12.3	7.89	8.5	0.0
Akhet IV-29 00:26	11.3	45.8	11.1	12.3	10.65	11.0	0.1
Peret I-5 09:55	11.8	45.6	16.1	12.3	17.05	16.0	0.1
Peret I-9 16:15	12.0	45.5	18.8	12.3	21.31	18.8	0.0
Peret I-12 07:40	12.1	45.4	20.4	12.3	23.95	20.4	0.0
Peret I-15 01:00	12.2	45.4	21.8	12.3	26.68	21.8	0.0
Peret I-17 13:20	12.2	45.4	23.1	12.3	29.19	23.0	0.1
Peret I-22 23:10	12.4	45.3	25.4	12.3	34.60	25.4	0.0
Peret I-25 11:10	12.5	45.2	26.3	12.3	37.10	26.3	0.0
Peret I-28 09:05	12.5	45.2	27.3	12.3	40.01	27.3	0.0
Peret II-1 01:05	12.6	45.2	28.2	12.3	42.68	28.1	0.1
Peret II-3 17:30	12.6	45.2	28.9	12.3	45.36	28.9	0.0

What's Next

Track the barrels for a longer period of time. Does the formula continue on or does it switch at some point?
How is sugar converted into alcohol?
Now that we know how to maximize tannin, what does 110 vs 100 tannin mean in the alembic? Is the extra tannin worth the time? Are there break points or is it smooth continuous?

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+<br>
-Surfing through the wiki you read that you need wine with high tannin. You’ve
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+Where:<br>
+T is the amount of tannin.<br>
+C is the colour value of the grapes.<br>
+K is the skin value of the grapes.<br>
+ETD is the amount of Egypt time (in days) the wine has been in the barrel.<br>
-<p class=MsoNormal>T is the amount of tannin.</p>
+Alternate formula:
+T=C*K/100*(1-2^(-ETD/21))
-<p class=MsoNormal>C is the colour value of the grapes.</p>
+From this you can see that the maximum tannin possible is the colour value multiplied by the skin value divided by 100.  So when you pick with vines/grapes to use you must also look for a C phenome. Colour is just as important as skin! Having wine with a skin value of 300 but a colour value of 10 will only yield 30 tannin. But if you could <i>magically</i> take 100 points from skin and put them into colour the maximum tannin jumps to 220 (110 X 200 / 100).
-<p class=MsoNormal>K is the skin value of the grapes.</p>
+Furthermore you won’t have to guess how long you have to wait for the tannin to develop. After 21 Egypt days (approximately a RL week) the wine in the barrel will have developed half its maximum tannin.  If you can wait another 21 Egypt days that value will rise to 75% of maximum.
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+===Data===
+<br>
+====Test #1====
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Vine !! Phenome !! Wine !! Hue !! Barrel
+|-
+| Tedra's Tannin|| align='center'| ACCKKKS|| Aphenro Tannin Test Alpha || align='center'| Red || align='center'| Alpha
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Acid !! Colour !! Grapes !! Quality !! Skin !! Sugar !! Vigor !! Max. Tannin !! &nbsp;
+|- align='center'
+| 55|| align='center'| 91|| align='center'| 37 || align='center'| 25 || align='center'| 132 || align='center'| 6 || align='center'| 1 || align='center'| 120.12 || <== Colour X Skin
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"
+|- align='center'
+! Egypt Time !! Alcohol !! Sugar !! Tannin !! Acid !! Elapsed Time (ETD) !! Tannin Predicted !! Difference
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-12 23:35|| align='center'| 0.0|| align='center'| 3.0 || align='center'| 0.0 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| - || align='center'| - || align='center'| -
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-14 04:50|| align='center'| 0.2|| align='center'| 2.9 || align='center'| 4.8 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 1.22 || align='center'| 4.7 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-15 12:35|| align='center'| 0.5|| align='center'| 2.7 || align='center'| 9.7 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 2.54 || align='center'| 9.7 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-17 02:40|| align='center'| 0.8|| align='center'| 2.6 || align='center'| 15.4 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 4.13 || align='center'| 15.3 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-18 02:30|| align='center'| 0.9|| align='center'| 2.5 || align='center'| 18.7 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 5.12 || align='center'| 18.7 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-20 16:05|| align='center'| 1.4|| align='center'| 2.3 || align='center'| 27.0 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 7.69 || align='center'| 26.9 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-23 15:10|| align='center'| 1.8|| align='center'| 2.1 || align='center'| 35.7 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 10.65 || align='center'| 35.6 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-26 06:10|| align='center'| 2.1|| align='center'| 1.9 || align='center'| 42.6 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 13.27 || align='center'| 42.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-29 00:26|| align='center'| 2.5|| align='center'| 1.7 || align='center'| 49.5 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 16.04 || align='center'| 49.4 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-5 09:55|| align='center'| 3.1|| align='center'| 1.4 || align='center'| 62.9 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 22.43 || align='center'| 62.8 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-9 16:15|| align='center'| 3.5|| align='center'| 1.2 || align='center'| 70.4 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 26.69 || align='center'| 70.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-12 07:40|| align='center'| 3.7|| align='center'| 1.1 || align='center'| 74.8 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 29.34 || align='center'| 74.5 || align='center'| 0.3
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-15 01:00|| align='center'| 3.9|| align='center'| 1.0 || align='center'| 78.6 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 32.06 || align='center'| 78.4 || align='center'| 0.2
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-17 13:20|| align='center'| 4.1|| align='center'| 0.9 || align='center'| 81.6 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 34.57 || align='center'| 81.7 || align='center'| -0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-22 23:10|| align='center'| 4.4|| align='center'| 0.8 || align='center'| 88.0 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 39.98 || align='center'| 88.0 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-25 11:10|| align='center'| 4.5|| align='center'| 0.7 || align='center'| 90.6 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 42.48 || align='center'| 90.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-28 09:05|| align='center'| 4.7|| align='center'| 0.6 || align='center'| 93.3 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 45.40 || align='center'| 93.3 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-1 01:05|| align='center'| 4.8|| align='center'| 0.6 || align='center'| 95.6 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 48.06 || align='center'| 95.5 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-3 17:30|| align='center'| 4.9|| align='center'| 0.5 || align='center'| 97.7 || align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 50.75 || align='center'| 97.6 || align='center'| 0.1
+|}
+<br>
+<br>
+====Test #2====
+{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Vine !! Phenome !! Wine !! Hue !! Barrel
+|-
+| Tedra's Tannin|| align='center'| ACCKKKS|| Aphenro Tannin Test Beta || align='center'| Red || align='center'| Beta
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Acid !! Colour !! Grapes !! Quality !! Skin !! Sugar !! Vigor !! Max. Tannin !! &nbsp;
+|- align='center'
+| 16|| align='center'| 32|| align='center'| 46 || align='center'| 16 || align='center'| 133 || align='center'| 11 || align='center'| 3 || align='center'| 42.56 || <== Colour X Skin
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"
+|- align='center'
+! Egypt Time !! Alcohol !! Sugar !! Tannin !! Acid !! Elapsed Time (ETD) !! Tannin Predicted !! Difference
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-12 23:50|| align='center'| 0.0|| align='center'| 5.5 || align='center'| 0.0 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| - || align='center'| - || align='center'| -
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-14 04:50|| align='center'| 0.4|| align='center'| 5.3 || align='center'| 1.7 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 1.21 || align='center'| 1.7 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-15 12:35|| align='center'| 0.9|| align='center'| 5.0 || align='center'| 3.4 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 2.53 || align='center'| 3.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-17 02:40|| align='center'| 1.4|| align='center'| 4.8 || align='center'| 5.4 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 4.12 || align='center'| 5.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-18 02:30|| align='center'| 1.7|| align='center'| 4.5 || align='center'| 6.6 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 5.11 || align='center'| 6.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-20 16:05|| align='center'| 2.5|| align='center'| 4.2 || align='center'| 9.5 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 7.68 || align='center'| 9.5 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-23 15:10|| align='center'| 3.3|| align='center'| 3.8 || align='center'| 12.6 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 10.64 || align='center'| 12.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-26 06:10|| align='center'| 3.9|| align='center'| 3.5 || align='center'| 15.1 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 13.26 || align='center'| 15.1 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-29 00:26|| align='center'| 4.5|| align='center'| 3.2 || align='center'| 17.5 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 16.03 || align='center'| 17.5 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-5 09:55|| align='center'| 5.8|| align='center'| 2.6 || align='center'| 22.3 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 22.42 || align='center'| 22.3 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-9 16:15|| align='center'| 6.4|| align='center'| 2.3 || align='center'| 24.9 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 26.68 || align='center'| 24.9 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-12 07:40|| align='center'| 6.8|| align='center'| 2.1 || align='center'| 26.4 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 29.33 || align='center'| 26.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-15 01:00|| align='center'| 7.2|| align='center'| 1.9 || align='center'| 27.8 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 32.05 || align='center'| 27.8 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-17 13:20|| align='center'| 7.5|| align='center'| 1.7 || align='center'| 29.0 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 34.56 || align='center'| 29.0 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-22 23:10|| align='center'| 8.1|| align='center'| 1.4 || align='center'| 31.2 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 39.97 || align='center'| 31.2 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-25 11:10|| align='center'| 8.3|| align='center'| 1.3 || align='center'| 32.1 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 42.47 || align='center'| 32.1 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-28 09:05|| align='center'| 8.5|| align='center'| 1.2 || align='center'| 33.1 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 45.39 || align='center'| 33.0 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-1 01:05|| align='center'| 8.8|| align='center'| 1.1 || align='center'| 33.9 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 48.05 || align='center'| 33.8 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-3 17:30|| align='center'| 8.9|| align='center'| 1.0 || align='center'| 34.6 || align='center'| 1.6 || align='center'| 50.74 || align='center'| 34.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|}
+<br>
+<br>
-<p class=MsoNormal>From this you can see that the maximum tannin possible is
+====Test #3====
-the colour value multiplied by the skin value divided by 100.<span
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
-style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>So when you pick with vines to use you must
+|-
-also look for a C <span class=SpellE>phenome</span>. Colour is just as
+! Vine !! Phenome !! Wine !! Hue !! Barrel
-important as skin! Having wine with a skin value of 300 but a colour value of
+|-
-will only yield <span class=GramE>30 tannin</span>. But if you could take
+| Aphenro#4|| align='center'| KKKAC|| Aphenro Tannin Test Gamma || align='center'| Dark Red || align='center'| Gamma
-points from skin and put that into colour the maximum tannin jumps to 220
+|}
-(110 X 200 / 100). </p>
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Acid !! Colour !! Grapes !! Quality !! Skin !! Sugar !! Vigor !! Max. Tannin !! &nbsp;
+|- align='center'
+| 75|| align='center'| 82|| align='center'| 51 || align='center'| 30 || align='center'| 229 || align='center'| 35 || align='center'| 2 || align='center'| 187.78 || <== Colour X Skin
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"
+|- align='center'
+! Egypt Time !! Alcohol !! Sugar !! Tannin !! Acid !! Elapsed Time (ETD) !! Tannin Predicted !! Difference
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-15 12:20|| align='center'| 0.0|| align='center'| 17.5 || align='center'| 0.0 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| - || align='center'| - || align='center'| -
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-17 02:40|| align='center'| 1.8|| align='center'| 16.6 || align='center'| 9.6 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 1.60 || align='center'| 9.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-18 02:30|| align='center'| 2.9|| align='center'| 16.0 || align='center'| 15.4 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 2.59 || align='center'| 15.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-20 16:05|| align='center'| 5.5|| align='center'| 14.7 || align='center'| 29.5 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 5.16 || align='center'| 29.4 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-23 15:10|| align='center'| 8.2|| align='center'| 13.4 || align='center'| 44.1 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 8.12 || align='center'| 44.1 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-26 06:10|| align='center'| 10.5|| align='center'| 12.2 || align='center'| 56.1 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 10.74 || align='center'| 56.1 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-29 00:26|| align='center'| 11.6|| align='center'| 11.7 || align='center'| 67.6 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 13.50 || align='center'| 67.5 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-5 09:55|| align='center'| 11.9|| align='center'| 11.5 || align='center'| 90.5 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 19.90 || align='center'| 90.4 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-9 16:15|| align='center'| 12.1|| align='center'| 11.4 || align='center'| 103.3 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 24.16 || align='center'| 103.2 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-12 07:40|| align='center'| 12.2|| align='center'| 11.4 || align='center'| 110.2 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 26.81 || align='center'| 110.3 || align='center'| -0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-15 01:00|| align='center'| 12.3|| align='center'| 11.3 || align='center'| 117.0 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 29.53 || align='center'| 116.9 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-17 13:20|| align='center'| 12.3|| align='center'| 11.3 || align='center'| 122.6 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 32.04 || align='center'| 122.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-22 23:10|| align='center'| 12.5|| align='center'| 11.2 || align='center'| 133.3 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 37.45 || align='center'| 133.2 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-25 11:10|| align='center'| 12.5|| align='center'| 11.2 || align='center'| 137.6 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 39.95 || align='center'| 137.6 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-28 09:05|| align='center'| 12.6|| align='center'| 11.2 || align='center'| 142.1 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 42.86 || align='center'| 142.2 || align='center'| -0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-1 01:05|| align='center'| 12.6|| align='center'| 11.2 || align='center'| 146.1 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 45.53 || align='center'| 146.0 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-3 17:30|| align='center'| 12.7|| align='center'| 11.1 || align='center'| 149.7 || align='center'| 7.5 || align='center'| 48.22 || align='center'| 149.5 || align='center'| 0.2
+|}
+<br>
+<br>
+====Test #4====
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Vine !! Phenome !! Wine !! Hue !! Barrel
+|-
+| Aphenro's Q Ball|| align='center'| ACGKQQSV|| Aphenro Tannin Test Delta || align='center'| White || align='center'| Delta
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1"
+|-
+! Acid !! Colour !! Grapes !! Quality !! Skin !! Sugar !! Vigor !! Max. Tannin !! &nbsp;
+|- align='center'
+| 123|| align='center'| 98|| align='center'| 179 || align='center'| 190 || align='center'| 38 || align='center'| 103 || align='center'| 3 || align='center'| 37.24 || <== Colour X Skin
+|}
+<br>
+{| border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"
+|- align='center'
+! Egypt Time !! Alcohol !! Sugar !! Tannin !! Acid !! Elapsed Time (ETD) !! Tannin Predicted !! Difference
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-18 08:45|| align='center'| 0.0|| align='center'| 51.5 || align='center'| 0.0 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| - || align='center'| - || align='center'| -
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-20 16:05|| align='center'| 7.6|| align='center'| 47.7 || align='center'| 2.8 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 2.31 || align='center'| 2.7 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-23 15:10|| align='center'| 10.7|| align='center'| 46.1 || align='center'| 5.9 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 5.27 || align='center'| 5.9 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-26 06:10|| align='center'| 11.1|| align='center'| 45.9 || align='center'| 8.5 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 7.89 || align='center'| 8.5 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Akhet IV-29 00:26|| align='center'| 11.3|| align='center'| 45.8 || align='center'| 11.1 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 10.65 || align='center'| 11.0 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-5 09:55|| align='center'| 11.8|| align='center'| 45.6 || align='center'| 16.1 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 17.05 || align='center'| 16.0 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-9 16:15|| align='center'| 12.0|| align='center'| 45.5 || align='center'| 18.8 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 21.31 || align='center'| 18.8 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-12 07:40|| align='center'| 12.1|| align='center'| 45.4 || align='center'| 20.4 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 23.95 || align='center'| 20.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-15 01:00|| align='center'| 12.2|| align='center'| 45.4 || align='center'| 21.8 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 26.68 || align='center'| 21.8 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-17 13:20|| align='center'| 12.2|| align='center'| 45.4 || align='center'| 23.1 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 29.19 || align='center'| 23.0 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-22 23:10|| align='center'| 12.4|| align='center'| 45.3 || align='center'| 25.4 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 34.60 || align='center'| 25.4 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-25 11:10|| align='center'| 12.5|| align='center'| 45.2 || align='center'| 26.3 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 37.10 || align='center'| 26.3 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret I-28 09:05|| align='center'| 12.5|| align='center'| 45.2 || align='center'| 27.3 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 40.01 || align='center'| 27.3 || align='center'| 0.0
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-1 01:05|| align='center'| 12.6|| align='center'| 45.2 || align='center'| 28.2 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 42.68 || align='center'| 28.1 || align='center'| 0.1
+|- align='center'
+| Peret II-3 17:30|| align='center'| 12.6|| align='center'| 45.2 || align='center'| 28.9 || align='center'| 12.3 || align='center'| 45.36 || align='center'| 28.9 || align='center'| 0.0
+|}
+<br>
+<br>
+===What's Next===
+Track the barrels for a longer period of time.  Does the formula continue on or does it switch at some point?<BR>
+How is sugar converted into alcohol?<br>
+Now that we know how to maximize tannin, what does 110 vs 100 tannin mean in the alembic? Is the extra tannin worth the time?  Are there break points or is it smooth continuous?