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==Papyrus Theories==
 
==Papyrus Theories==
  
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I don't think spacing is the prime factor for whether multiple seed plantings interfere with one another; rather, time seems to be the cause. This is suggested by the fact that many papyrus can grow on one tile, with no readily apparent limit.
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Here's some data. What I'm suspecting now is that individual tiles have a specific number of papyrus spawn points, and that seeding simply sets those tiles to countdown to show a papyrus reed.
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Perhaps on every seed planting the game prints a small rectangle shifted up about 150 coordinates and randomly moved around on the terrain grid, adding to the current value (which is somehow reduced every growth tick). On every growing tick (where the game decides whether or not to add a marker that will grow into a papyrus about 15 minutes later) the game checks this score. If it's one, it can grow as many papyrus as possible on that tile. The greater it is than one, the fewer likely papyrus.
 
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This means that space would be one way to avoid the problem, but it introduces issues of its own. For one, the random shifting of the rectangle means you can't eliminate overlap, which will lower yield. Another issue is that there are many areas of the Nile that would be poorly suited to this growth system, so finding one ideal area and exploiting only that would maximise yield. Thirdly, it means that during harvesting you're running around more. Finally, the rectangle appears to be wider than it is long, which means that and curve in the Nile is either going to lead to more overlap or make it more likely for the rectangle to miss the Nile.
 
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Here's some data. What I'm suspecting now is that individual tiles have a specific number of papyrus spawn points, and that seeding simply sets those tiles to countdown to show a papyrus seed. Therefore the ideal seed spacing is likely to be around 100 coordinates (allowing strategic selection of planting points), but the number of seeds per dump will be around 8.
 
  
 
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{|align="center" class="wikitable sortable"
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|+Planting site 1333, 3651. I plant X seeds every Wait game minutes every Step coordinates walking right, then pickup Yield papyrus starting at Harvest time.
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|+Planting site 1333, 3561. I plant X seeds every Wait game minutes every Step coordinates walking right, then pickup Yield papyrus starting at Harvest time.
 
!Time!!Harvest!!Wait!!Step!!Count!!Yield!!Ratio
 
!Time!!Harvest!!Wait!!Step!!Count!!Yield!!Ratio
 
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|1932||-||0.1||0||20||106||5.3
 
|1932||-||0.1||0||20||106||5.3
 
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|0212||0242||0||0||5||50||10.0
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|0335||0406||0||0||15||170||11.3
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|0500||0530||0||0||18||129||7.2
 
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|0007||0037||0||0||17||126||7.4
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|0107||0137||0||0||16||100||6.25
 
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It would be incorrect to conclude from this that there is any sort of time dependence, even though it shows that right now - it's simply that I was doing saturation tests at that time, which results in poor yield.
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One definite conclusion is that papyrus takes exactly 30 teppy minutes to grow. Another is that time dependence either doesn't exist or works so oddly that it can be discounted.
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Another note is that there is a section where papyrus never grows. These appear just north of a land bridge and an inlet and disconnected ponds on the west, so it may be intended to keep papyrus from growing there.
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{|align="center" class="wikitable sortable"
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|+ Planting site tests; 15 seeds each.
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! X !! Y !! Side !! Time !! Start !! End !! Yield !! Notes
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| 1444 || 3350 || West || 2102 || 3463 || 3529 || 40
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| 1414 || 3400 || West || 2005 || 3534 || 3612 || 31
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| 1400 || 3450 || West || 1907 || 3549 || 3639 || 73
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| 1355 || 3500 || West || 0508 || 3629 || 3695 || 28
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| 1340 || 3550 || West || 0412 || 3645 || 3752 || 90
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| 1325 || 3600 || West || 0205 || 3711 || 3799 || 113
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| 1316 || 3650 || West || 0316 || 3774 || 3850 || 27 || Medium-populated banks, island in centre of Nile.
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|}
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{|align="center" class="wikitable sortable"
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|+ Bald regions - papyrus can't seem to grow here.
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! Start !! End !! Notes
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| 3669 || 3694 || Land bridge immediately south.
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| 3768 || 3781 || Inlet with disconnected ponds immediately south.
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| 3645 || 3660
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|}
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== Personal Map ==
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(Rdstar) 0, 0, (0, 0) Chariots - Queen's Retreat
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(Rdstar) 0, 0, (0, 0) Chariots - Shabbat Ab
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(Rdstar) 0, 0, (0, 0) Chariots - Sinai
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(Rdstar) 0, 0, (0, 0) Chariots - Stillwater
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(Rdstar) 735, -761, (735, -761) Chariots - Saqqarah
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  Meroe
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  Queen's Retreat
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(Rdstar) 824, -3655, (0, 0) Chariots - Meroe
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  Falcon Bay
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  Khmun
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  Queen's Retreat
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  Saqqarah
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(CirLbR) 778, -349, (778, -349) University of Art & Music, Saqqarah
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(CirLbL) 958, -1837, (958, -1837) University of Leadership, Saqqarah
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(CirLbT) 1114, -589, (1114, -589) University of Thought, Saqqarah
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(CirLbB) 1330, -301, (1330, -301) University of The Human Body, Saqqarah
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(CirLbW) 1574, -1025, (1574, -1025) University of Worship, Saqqarah
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(CirLbH) 1649, -612, (1649, -612) University of Harmony, Saqqarah
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(CirLbC) 2110, -781, (2110, -781) University of Architecture, Saqqarah
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(Rdstar) 4292, -632, (4292, -632) Chariots - Falcon Bay
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  Meroe
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  Shabbat Ab
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  Sinai
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(DPVi)1580, 3566, (1580, 3566) Perception
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  Dies: Common Basil.
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(DPOr)1590, 3549, (1590, 3549) Speed
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  Dies: Common Basil.
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(DPOr)1599, 3566, (1599, 3566) Speed
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  Dies: Common Basil.
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(DPBl)1610, 3548, (1610, 3548) Focus/Cabbage
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  Dies: Common Basil.
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(DPGr)1630, 3548, (1630, 3548) Strength
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  Dies: Common Basil.
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(X)1169, -1039, (1169, -1039) Expedition Site
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(X)1668, -989, (1668, -989) Expedition Site
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(X)1581, 3020, (1581, 3020) Expedition Site
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(X)466, 7071, (466, 7071) Expedition Site
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(X)1580, 3019, (1580, 3019) Expedition Site
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(A)1665, 3560, (1665, 3560) Common Altar
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(O)1440, 3099, (1440, 3099) Coconut Tree
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(O)1439, 2941, (1439, 2941) Coconut Tree
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(O)2018, 3775, (2018, 3775) Coconut Tree
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(F)1509, 2266, (1509, 2266) Fish/Tilapia/Chromis 2044
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  2274 - Catfish
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  2280 - Tilapia
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  2310 - Catfish
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  2320 to 2340 - Abdju
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  2330 to 2390 - Perch
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  2380 to 2410 - Carp
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  2388 - Oxyrynchus
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  2420 - Dead
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Latest revision as of 20:20, 16 December 2009

User:Henat/Herb Planting

Papyrus Theories

Here's some data. What I'm suspecting now is that individual tiles have a specific number of papyrus spawn points, and that seeding simply sets those tiles to countdown to show a papyrus reed.

Planting site 1333, 3561. I plant X seeds every Wait game minutes every Step coordinates walking right, then pickup Yield papyrus starting at Harvest time.
Time Harvest Wait Step Count Yield Ratio
1105 1135 1 1 10 97 9.7
1230 1300 1 2 10 85 8.5
1342 1416 2 2 10 83 8.3
1458 1543 2 1 10 94 9.5
1611 - 0 0 10 115 11.5
1739 - 0 1 10 62 6.2
1827 - 0 0 20 99 4.95
1932 - 0.1 0 20 106 5.3
0212 0242 0 0 5 50 10.0
0335 0406 0 0 15 170 11.3
0500 0530 0 0 18 129 7.2
0007 0037 0 0 17 126 7.4
0107 0137 0 0 16 100 6.25

It would be incorrect to conclude from this that there is any sort of time dependence, even though it shows that right now - it's simply that I was doing saturation tests at that time, which results in poor yield.

One definite conclusion is that papyrus takes exactly 30 teppy minutes to grow. Another is that time dependence either doesn't exist or works so oddly that it can be discounted.

Another note is that there is a section where papyrus never grows. These appear just north of a land bridge and an inlet and disconnected ponds on the west, so it may be intended to keep papyrus from growing there.

Planting site tests; 15 seeds each.
X Y Side Time Start End Yield Notes
1444 3350 West 2102 3463 3529 40
1414 3400 West 2005 3534 3612 31
1400 3450 West 1907 3549 3639 73
1355 3500 West 0508 3629 3695 28
1340 3550 West 0412 3645 3752 90
1325 3600 West 0205 3711 3799 113
1316 3650 West 0316 3774 3850 27 Medium-populated banks, island in centre of Nile.
Bald regions - papyrus can't seem to grow here.
Start End Notes
3669 3694 Land bridge immediately south.
3768 3781 Inlet with disconnected ponds immediately south.
3645 3660

Personal Map

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