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Welcome peabody, zaxaz, Reyzer, ShuoftheFieryHeat, Luckie, tanisboy4, BlueGrass.
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Welcome Decozupop, Talos, ShuoftheFieryHeat, tanisboy4, Reyzer, Redd, DustiTwister.
 
In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh.
 
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zaxaz: anybody care to tell me why I should vote for them?
 
zaxaz: hi luckie, how have you been?
 
Reyzer: ooh new tab
 
zaxaz: hiya
 
Reyzer: hi there, hows it going?
 
zaxaz: going good, hunting mushies
 
Reyzer: ugh
 
Reyzer: I'm stuck on beehives
 
zaxaz: sorry to hear that
 
zaxaz: there was some recent sightings on shroomdar
 
Reyzer: lol yea
 
zaxaz: they're pretty random, huh?
 
Reyzer: malevolent mushrooms :P
 
Reyzer: as random as random can be
 
zaxaz: probably if you plotted all the BH sightings, it's spell out teppy's name
 
Reyzer: hehe
 
Reyzer: or maybe just spell "suckers"
 
zaxaz: with a :P
 
Reyzer: lol
 
zaxaz: that's the best part of this channel, everyone that want's my vote always laughs at my jokes
 
Reyzer: does the mirth get more sycophantic as the round draws to a close?
 
zaxaz: we'll see
 
Reyzer: no excuse for bad jokes though
 
zaxaz: I don't have much chance of winning, but I do like to see my candidates jump through hoops
 
Reyzer: I guess some like to pucker up
 
zaxaz: I'm just kidding of course
 
zaxaz hides the flaming hoop behind his back
 
Reyzer: ;)
 
Reyzer: load of brain shrooms in adn if that's what you're after
 
zaxaz: I saw those this earlier today
 
zaxaz: I'm looking for HvT PoT
 
 
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Reyzer: Hi all
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Reyzer: Good to see some familiar faces ;)
 
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BlueGrass: Hi there Everyone. Just letting you know that I'm running for DP again this round and would like your support. Please have a look at my DP page and if you have any questions please feel free to ask me. Thank-you for your support.
 
BlueGrass: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:BlueGrass/DP
 
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all - glad to see some old friends and get the opportunity to make some new ones
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Reyzer: Hi Shu
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
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Reyzer: you well?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: doing good and you?
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Reyzer: pretty good :)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: interesting chat on ENN - what do you think?
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Reyzer: It's good in the fact that Teppy seems to be *listening*
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Reyzer: It's hard to try and communicate via the chat though
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Reyzer: Seems to be multiple topics on the go atm hehe
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods - as the shard roll-out approches I see all kinds of upheavals and turmoil starting to happen - Teppy is at least aware of it more than before
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Reyzer: yea
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: it will be interesting to see how the shards affect DP rounds too - most interesting experiment
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Reyzer: It's really laying down a dividing line by the sounds of it
 
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Reyzer: Afternoon
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Reyzer: I play quite a bit still
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Reyzer: Blondie and I seem to play at different times
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DustiTwister: =D
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Reyzer: I'm a candidate but am willing to support if there is someone worth supporting :)
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Reyzer: How about yourself?
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DustiTwister: I would prefer to be a candidate but will vote for majority if I believe its the right decision.
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Reyzer: :)
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DustiTwister: I would like the DP position because first of all, I do not strive towards tests. I am constantly working with other people, and I would like the ability to be known to be someone to go to in case of disputes.
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DustiTwister: Another true reason is it would give me a "reason" to continue staying in Egypt. I am finding it to get a little quiet.
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DustiTwister: Am at the point with people I know, They no longer need my help. I do a lot of donations to techs/research and make heaps of materials and such, but, my true calling is with people.
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DustiTwister: My qualifications: Business communications course, being a parent of 4, playing atitd for 5 years, and been in 3 tellings. Have been DP (probably as you know in T2), and took a break last telling due to greifing issues that were not handled.
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DustiTwister: How about you?
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Reyzer: I remember when you started in T2 hehe
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DustiTwister: =)
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DustiTwister: I remember you living in ND, near..umm the CS iirc
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Reyzer: yea, when the cs was near the beetle garden
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DustiTwister: yeah =)
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Reyzer: Blondie and I ran the public works
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DustiTwister: Blondie was first to help me out with the "rich" requirements of silk lol.
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Reyzer: lol
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DustiTwister: now I try to do that for others because of her.
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DustiTwister: However, as you know, recipies for thistles suck this telling.
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Reyzer: ugh tell me about it
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DustiTwister: =S
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DustiTwister: right now, I am salvaging and taking turns using the 2 silk for plantation test among the people in my "small" family guild.
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Reyzer: Game-wise I suppose I am a quieter sort
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DustiTwister: indeed. =) ya always were.  
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DustiTwister: but sometimes more wisdom comes from the quieter folks. =-)
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Reyzer: I can debate with the best of them but don't like to waste words on waffle hehe
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Reyzer: prefer to get things done first
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DustiTwister: I can respect that. I am a talker. Entertainer, and can be direct. Guess I'm versatile. lol
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Reyzer: hehe
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hello everyone - I hope everyone is having a good holiday
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DustiTwister: This semester of college is Applied Human Relations course. I am looking forward to it. More of a psychology based course.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I would like to introduce Shu to those of you who do not know him
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DustiTwister: Am thinking of turning my 2nd major into Psychology.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I've played since T3 and at the start of T4 established Freebee House (now dormant)
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Reyzer: make sure you keep your feet on the ground :)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: during T4 I've become more interested in the DP process and elections and now actively seek to move on to the next round
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DustiTwister: Oh yeah. But its fun.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I'm sure there will be some interesting dynamics in this round as candidates vie for votes and position - I have created a chat log page to help us track the conversations even if we are in different time zones
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Reyzer: it must be easy to totally immerse yourslf in it
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DustiTwister: Took Psychology 2 semester. Loved that, and here I thought I'd bomb it, turned out to ace it
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Reyzer: nice
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DustiTwister: the course I'm more concerned about this semseter I would have to say, would be Accounting =S My math skills are a tad rusty lol
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Reyzer: eek accounting
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DustiTwister: Yes. Required for Computing Business Management major. lol
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DustiTwister: I am just beginning to "grow up" and find out what life is calling me to do.
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DustiTwister: It has encouraged 3 of my 4 kids to compete against mom and go to college lol
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Reyzer: lol
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DustiTwister: Its really neat to have the transition from "mom" to friend with my adult kids.
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Reyzer: well, I'm going to turn in. Cya tomorrow :)
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Reyzer: tc
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DustiTwister: You too =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log captured at:
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
 
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tanisboy4: hello everyone
 
tanisboy4: I would like to go forward in this race so give u someone else to vote for then Shu :o)
 
tanisboy4: would be nice for a poor boy to become king....dont u think
 
BlueGrass: rofl sounds good
 
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: tanisboy4 tell me more about yourself and why you want to be DP?
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: DP is not Pharaoh - that spot is taken :) but DP is a powerful position
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: what would you do if you became DP and how would you use the ban?
 
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is also interested in moving on but will go with the flow :)
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DustiTwister: =)
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DustiTwister: Hi ya Shu =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: of course the make up of this round is very interesting - there is no way to get a clear winner without cooperation and 3 votes wont do it
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well 1 vote would do it but I think others will vote too <LOL>
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi there Dusti
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DustiTwister: Well, begin with why you want the dp?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: as t4 has progressed I've become more interested in what causes difficulties in the game: a) mechanics = Teppy b) inter-gameplay = player base
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: only player based items are within the range of DP and Im interested in the resolution process and I think Shu could help on that
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DustiTwister: So, am I understanding you to think you could change the "lack of" interaction in DP's making changes in the system in which it works?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I speak English and some French and Spanish and have lived in Mexico and France so I have some experience with other views than the one in USA
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: no not lack of intereact with DPs but helping DPs understand what might be cultural based issues
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DustiTwister: cultural based issues have been around here since T1. Most DP's are fully aware. Do you not think so?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think many are and I think that is good basis for a DP  - dont you?
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DustiTwister: Indeed. But, just because someone speaks different languages or has lived in specific regions of the world, does not mean, one who has not can not have the same knowledge. For instance...
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DustiTwister: I have a spanish speaking player in my personal guild. We communicate perfectly fine between one another.
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DustiTwister: and I understand where she is coming from.
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DustiTwister: I also ran into an issue with a french player. Which I then had to speak french. I use translator, and make sure to say so prior to the conversation
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DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
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DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
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DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
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DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
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DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
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DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
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DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
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DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
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DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
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DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think the point is to communicate but then the problems arise in resolution
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DustiTwister: not as often as you imagine. I have not experienced an offended player when it is outright said, there may be translation issues, and to ask what is meant by whatever word may be wrongly translated.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I dont think there are any of us here who have not had some problems with resolution
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DustiTwister: The job is still effectivly able to be handled even with translators
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DustiTwister: I also enlist the help of french/English speaking players when unable to communicate fast enough.
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DustiTwister: particularly TME
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DustiTwister: sometimes Esther has helped as well.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hmmm well  even names can be offensive and that may not be a translation problem - one player from Spain uses a historical name which was offensive to a player from Turkey because that historical person (a hero in spain) is a bad guy in Turkey - you wont get that from a translator
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DustiTwister: There is nothing we can do about names of  players. And if that be the reason they are fighting, then, that goes back to the "rules of the game".
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: you can only get that from interaction and understanding the historical context
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DustiTwister: Correct.
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DustiTwister: its all more here about, Personal Ethics and Standards.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: are we have a discussion on the virtues of translators or comminicating with other cultures?
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DustiTwister: Both actually.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is talking about other cultures not translators
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DustiTwister: Other cultures depend on communication, different languages present different issues, majority of that issue is communication. Where as you may be able to speak and communicate without tranlators and help, I am stating, I am perfectly capable of doing the same thing, using a translator and have never run into a non-patient person who can not understand English while using the translator which has interpeted words in an unintentinal way.
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DustiTwister: that is what I am saying. I am capable of the job, not just because I can handle disputes, but I can effectivly communicate just as well as someone who may speak the language.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so.... you dont think its a benefit to know other cultures even if you do not know their language? Cultures are not the same a language.
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DustiTwister: Cultures = ways of life, or experiences that particularly pertain to their environment or past environment. I understand that. I am not uneducated about most.
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DustiTwister: when in a dispute, most do not partain to "Culture" it partains to "disagreements btwn two players"
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: but is it of benefit??
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DustiTwister: We have had only one instance of a culture dispute.
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DustiTwister: and iirc most all of Egypt was on the same side of the line
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DustiTwister: I believe it is important, yet, it is not the majority of a necessary need for DP's
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DustiTwister: I believe what is an important quality of a DP is to be able to listen to everything before assuming a solution. Being patient to hear every detail.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so how would you propose that a DP provide a positive influence even in the face of opposition? what would be your program?
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DustiTwister: not just listening to details, but observing facts and the base of the issue at hand
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DustiTwister: reading between the lines "so to speak"
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DustiTwister: What do you mean exactly?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well if you have a situation where you need to listen to two or more players and you want to provide a positive rolemodel of DP interaction but there are others that are not in agreement with you? what kind of things would you do? especially if the others were also DPs?
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DustiTwister: If you are asking me if two hot headed individuals are so angry, they call a DP for resolution, how to approach them, then I would say, first important task at hand is to diffuse the heat, so they can calmly discuss the matter with you.
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DustiTwister: There is always some solution, even if it is meeting the player half way.
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DustiTwister: another way I say that is, to agree to disagree.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: how would you work with other DPs that may not agree with your suggestions?
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DustiTwister: I am not obstanent enough to ask myself, could I be using my "pride" to "think" my answer "is the ultimate" in a situation. I have an open mind to suggestions. However, if majority of DP's agree with one another, then apparently I would be wrong to ignore the advice.
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DustiTwister: I have no problems thinking for myself either.
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DustiTwister: I do not perform for "others" to like me, I am myself. Like me or ya don't.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol I dont think anyone would think you are not your own person Dusti <G>
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DustiTwister: I am inclined to think there are very very minimal people who I come across who have issues with me.
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DustiTwister: I can name 1 for sure. That is about all. Yet, we can still be next to one another and not have problems.
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DustiTwister: it is one of those, "Agree to disagree" situations.
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DustiTwister: We still respect each other.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think Teppy has made this a very interesting test of RL in a virtual environment.  Here we get to say and do things experiemnt with options in a non-dangerous way.
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DustiTwister: Agreed.
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DustiTwister: Its a portal to introduce us to many different PoV's
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: forexample: Talos and Decoz are connected to Bluegrass (DP) and tanisboy4 is a mule of someone (dunno who) - so there is a possibility (not saying reality) that decoz and talos could pass on one of themselves
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: now - that to me is interesting - because it experiments with what Shu thinks is "right and proper" but that may not be what they others feel or think < that is a challenge for Shu
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DustiTwister: that type of behavior has been around in ATITD since the start tho.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so... experiment: IF you were a DP and another DP was in the same place and you both disagreed about what is "right and proper" how does that influence the rest of the game and players? Is there anything a DP can do or say?
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DustiTwister: its not about whats "right and proper" in our own world, but in the minds of each individual.
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DustiTwister: its an "ethics" issue.
 
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DustiTwister: I am never "too proud" to stand down if necessary to prevent a major dispute if I know that even if I do not agree, it doesn't create chaos to do so.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ethics are as variable as people in the world - that is the challenge.  There are no rules to Egypt and player based rules are few.  So no rules no foul.
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DustiTwister: There is a "stigma" of Ethics found in Egypt.
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DustiTwister: The rules may not be "written" but it is basically "understood"
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ah... the "understood" ones - please list them <G>
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: certainly shu has never seen a list on the wiki - except the one Shu put up.
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DustiTwister: one for example would be the land issues: Most ATITD players who have been around, understand there is a need to have a big Plot set aside for future growth.
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DustiTwister: there is no "rule" that says, if you put a cp there, it becomes "yours"
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DustiTwister: its just "understood"
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DustiTwister: and I'd give it a good 80% of Egyptians are on that "understanding"
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DustiTwister: its not a "rule" yet its something thats gone by.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well that one gets challenged all the time - new players do not know and old players may not care - if your near a clay bed - and ovens gonna show up
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: (teppy maybe fixing that though - PLEASE fix it!!)
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DustiTwister giggles
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DustiTwister: It would truely amaze me if he did
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods 99x
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DustiTwister: I need to afk to begin our dinner here irl, is there anything further you would like me to answer?
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DustiTwister: I would love to ask more questions for you, but I need to get that started, not sure how long you will be here for.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: its been a very interesting chat Dusti - you are a very knowledgeable person! But Shu already knew that and I've been happy to have the opportunity to chat you indepth
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DustiTwister: Aww, Thank you =D
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu will be here thru the festival today
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DustiTwister: oh good, Me too. Hence why dinner needs to be cooked "before" festi's lol
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: manga manga then
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DustiTwister: or else hemptwister commin home to cookin dinner for us lol
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DustiTwister: (not particularly good when hes a chef all day to begin with)
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DustiTwister: afk for about 20-30 min
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log updated - great chat Dusti!
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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DustiTwister: Am back already. Hemptwister had the peppers already cut and I only had to do the onions =)
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DustiTwister: Making Sweet Sausage w/peppers, onions, tomatos over vegetable Rotini =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: yummm
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DustiTwister is starving as it is lol
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Reyzer: Evening all
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
 
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Reyzer: Hi Shu, hows things?
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DustiTwister: hi reyzer, at festi's arn't you?
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Reyzer: Hi Dusti, yep gettin ready
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DustiTwister: =D
 
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tanisboy4: hello all
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tanisboy4: anyone want to make me king
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Reyzer: hehe
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Reyzer: I'm sure we all would like to be king
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tanisboy4: oh but poor boy becoming king has good ring to it
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tanisboy4: dont u think
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Reyzer: sure
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tanisboy4: well reyzer so your so nice chating with me i will vote for u
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tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
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Reyzer: Thanks for the vote :) but are you sure that you don't want to wait and see what the other candidates have to say?
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DustiTwister: uhh, what did I miss?
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DustiTwister: was participating in the event =(
 
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Reyzer: You didn't miss much
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Reyzer: tanisboy wasn't on for very long
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DustiTwister: yeah, i noticed. Didn't get to talk myself. Was involved in the event.
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DustiTwister: ah well..
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: As DP mediation is one aspect which can be complicated by cultural differences. Sometimes these differences are large (like a swastika CP) and sometimes they are small but create tension in the game.  
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: When I first met BlueGrass I did not know he was from South Africa.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: In the USA the word "bluegrass" has 2 specific meanings:
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: 1) it is a type of traditional music - noted for its harmonies and played on traditional instruments (guitar, fiddle, mandolin, banjo, bass)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: 2) it is a type of grass.  This grass is known to almost everyone who knows about horses. This grass grows in the State of Kentucy where the best race horses are raised. The horses that grow up eating this grass are some of the best race horses in the world. Kentucy is often refered to as The Bluegrass state. The latin name for this grass is: poa pratensis
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Decozupop voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: When I first chatted with BlueGrass I thought he knew about both of these items since the name BlueGrass has a special meaning here.  I refered to him as: poa pratensis.  It was not until later that I found out that he was not from the USA and that he might not have realized that the title was a friendly one.  
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Decozupop changed his vote for Demi-Pharaoh from Reyzer to DustiTwister.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I would like to know how people would handle such a misunderstanding?  And perhaps BlueGrass would be good enough to explain what his name means to someone in South Africa?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs#Log_1
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: (better linkage :) )
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Reyzer: Well, I'm from that part of the world and I'm not sure either hehe. Maybe it is a personal nickname and that is his perogative to use as he sees fit :)
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Reyzer: Unless a name, and we have had a few, is blatently rude to the majority of folks, I don't see a problem
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: oh there is no problem with the name - I just thought it might have a special meaning to him - which I would like to know about - I am not likely to be traveling to africa anytime soon so if it has a special meaning it would be nice to know about
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: in another round there was a discussion that names mean something different to different cultures
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: wow that's interesting!
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in that case the name used by one player was an honorific to someone from their history
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: but to another player that historical name was not associated with "good things" and that historical person was not considered "honorable"
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Decozupop: why is that interesting?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I was aware of the historical person (not my culture) but I was not aware that to another culture that person was not considered a "good person"
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: the instant change in vote
Reyzer: I suppose names can be so varied, and the origins of it diverse enough to not sit well with absolutely everyone
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Decozupop: I clicked the wrong name thats all
 
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ahhh :)
 
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Decozupop: have you never clicked in the wrong place before?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes of course - but sometimes I say "wrong click" if I want folks to know what was going on
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Decozupop: thought thats was obivious
  
 
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BlueGrass: from deep dark africa
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DustiTwister: =D Gotta question for you?
tanisboy4: u know Texas T and all that
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Reyzer: sure
tanisboy4: so can i talk you into votin for poor boy to make king of all egypt
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DustiTwister: Why do you want to be DP, and what does being DP mean to you? If I am to make a decision, I have not heard what you believe.
Reyzer: no harm in trying
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Reyzer: I means more to me now than it has before
tanisboy4: poorboy make good
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Reyzer: I've always been involved in DP, ever since T2 but always in the background, helping others out
tanisboy4: i could trade my had wrap for a crown
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Reyzer: I got a bit disillusioned with it
tanisboy4: sounds good dont u think
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DustiTwister: what do you mean dillisusioned by it?
tanisboy4: i think at some point i was in major cart reck
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Reyzer: It started being the same old repetitive blah blah
tanisboy4: cause i have to ware these bandages on my head
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Reyzer: The speeches and debated were all full of the same soundbites
BlueGrass: hehe
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Reyzer: debates*
Reyzer: chariot airbags
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DustiTwister: so what makes you want it?
tanisboy4: that darn donkey
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Reyzer: To an extent they still are and will always be but I've always had soft spot for being a bit different
tanisboy4: maybe it kicked me must of been really bad cause i dont remember
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Reyzer: It would be the culmination of a lot of time and effort put in
tanisboy4: here is my pitch
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Reyzer: As i've said before, I'm not one for small talk hehe
tanisboy4: make me king of all egypt, i do nothing expect nothing of you and we all can be happy
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Reyzer: I'm not scared of making decisions
tanisboy4: i live in a tent
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DustiTwister: so what drives you to want to "be" the DP that makes it so much more important this time than anytime in the past? I still do not understand your position.
tanisboy4: adn have no shirt, but got great 6 pac
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Reyzer: So I can ban anyone who crumbles my cages
BlueGrass: wouldn't like to live in a palace?
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Reyzer: ;P
tanisboy4: and i think if i move wrong my skirt will fall off
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DustiTwister: =P
tanisboy4: heck yea, kings live in big house and have crowns
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Reyzer: It's a DP round and no less important than any others, past or present
tanisboy4: kk be back later
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DustiTwister: cute answer =S am still unsure. Cuz I would love to have the position myself. =S but I will not deadlock
BlueGrass: enjoy
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Reyzer: Deadlock is not an option
Reyzer: BG what's the broadband situation like now, Telkom still shafting everyone?
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DustiTwister: well I won't vote for myself unless its preventing one....I am taking into consideration how you want it as well.
BlueGrass: Yes but we have a new Operator that has helped
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DustiTwister: so what it boils down to is, Who Shu votes for is who I vote for
BlueGrass: and we also have a wireless contion - iBurst that I use which is okay for now but we are still far behind the rest of the world
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Reyzer: Perfectly acceptable to vote for yourself to break a deadlock
Reyzer: yea
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DustiTwister: indeed.
BlueGrass: contion? = company
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Reyzer: But yes, Shu and Talos still need to vote
Reyzer: needs a lot more competition to bring up service and lower prices
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DustiTwister: voting for myself has only been done for that reason Only, in any DP round ...which has happend maybe twice in 3 tellings.
Reyzer: and pray that eskom keep the power on ;)
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Reyzer: Gah Sunday passes are getting harder to read hehe
BlueGrass: rofl
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Reyzer: So, do you think DP is different now that is different from previous tales?
BlueGrass: the best is when you just sit down to do a festival and the power goes down for 1 hour then when you log back in you just miss the festival
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Reyzer: ugh that doesn't make much sense
Reyzer: >.<
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Reyzer: Do you think it's different now that it's not a test
BlueGrass: we have very bad service here - I realy don't know how we are going to handle the world cup next year
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DustiTwister: I think there are more people who persue it that are sincere about it. The voting in terms of Egypt still seems to be for the "popularity" and not the answers or the reputation.
Reyzer: Yea, that's going to raise a few eyebrows
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Reyzer: yep, and lack of decent competition
BlueGrass: They have been upgrading our roads around the main cities and now they are say they aren't going to be ready for the world cup so all our roads are going to be in bad shape
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DustiTwister: Realistically, That is how I see it.
BlueGrass: Have you been to South Africa Reyzer?
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Reyzer: I'm off for tonight, cya later
Reyzer: Born in Zim, grew up in Swazi :)
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DustiTwister: okay. See ya soon.
BlueGrass: cool
 
BlueGrass: Swazi is a lovly little country
 
Reyzer: Worked in Durbs for a while and also up by Namibian border
 
Reyzer: yea Swazi is great
 
BlueGrass: Nice - where do you live now?
 
Reyzer: In UK atm
 
BlueGrass: its great to talk to someone that uses the SA slang
 
Reyzer: hehe
 
Reyzer: eish!
 
BlueGrass: and shame!
 
Reyzer: lol
 
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zaxaz: is there any consenous yet as to whom I should vote for?
 
zaxaz: or do I need to do my own investigation
 
tanisboy4: I want to be king of egypt u can vote for me :o)
 
zaxaz: you belong to no guilds, does no one trust you, or do you simply not fit?
 
tanisboy4: my platform, i will do nothing nor ask for anything
 
tanisboy4: i i live in a tent
 
zaxaz: then be content to be king of your tent
 
tanisboy4: i want a crown and be king of egypt
 
zaxaz: if all you desire is a crown, fashion one from straw
 
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tanisboy4 voted for BlueGrass as Demi-Pharaoh.
 
tanisboy4: since no one wants to make me king, i will vote for bluegrass
 
tanisboy4: Shu was so rude to a friend of min in the pirate test that my friend quit the game, I dont think he should be a dp.
 
tanisboy4: and Bluegrass I do know helps people alot around egypt he would make a much better dp (king)
 
 
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tanisboy4: good luck
 
zaxaz voted for BlueGrass as Demi-Pharaoh.
 
zaxaz: BlueGrass seems to be the best prepared to be DP so he get's my vote.  Good luck!
 
 
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Reyzer: hmm a friend of tanisboy4 quit because of pirates test
 
Reyzer: should have stuck around for cartouche
 
zaxaz: can't be too thin skinned for some of these tests :)
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: just a clarification: Shu is not and has never been in the PIRATE test - I dont know who was rude to tanisboy4's friend but it was not me
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so - I hope that gets clarified to all
 
zaxaz: that's ok, it didn't really influence my vote
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
 
zaxaz: heh, a good DP can be rude in the correct circumstance
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes but rude doesnt solve many problems :)
 
zaxaz: a lot of people confuse honesty for rudness
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: shu is going to vote for Reyzer  - BG has already lost 2x in DP finals - I think he will not win a 3d time
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
 
Reyzer: yep, and accusations by an alt without proof requires a large pich of salt :)
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I am willing to move my vote - but it is a holiday and I dont know if I will be back on b4 the end of round
 
Reyzer: Thank you Shu
 
zaxaz: perhaps third time's a charm.
 
Reyzer: Well, Jodpar tried about 10 times in T2 or 3 before finally succeeding hehe
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: perhaps but also perhaps its best to give it a rest for a round - hes been in the finals 2x in a row - I think it would be best if we put someone else up this round - BG would have a better chance in the next round
 
 
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zaxaz: I believe BG is the only candidate that has an explaination of his DP philosophy on the wiki.  That is the main reason behind my vote
 
zaxaz: I'd rather vote on what I know about a candidate than vote for someone that has a better chance of winning
 
Reyzer: Would be nice if more thought that way instead of being driven by Kingmaker
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/Demi-Pharaoh#DP_Ban_Topics_to_Consider
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: this page has loads of stuff to think about - we never really got a chance to chat about any of it
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I did miss some of the chat about cultural differences in names (bluegrass in US vs bluegrass in SAfrica) - scrolled off
 
zaxaz: I've read that page, last dp roun we had quite a debate before I voted for orrin
 
Reyzer: I read that a couple of days ago. You do have some valid concers there
 
Reyzer: concerns*
 
BlueGrass: Thank-you Zaxaz and Tabisboy4 for your votes. I hope I can live up to your expectations
 
BlueGrass: Yes I've been in the last 2 round for the last two time but you have to look who I came up agains in those Rounds, Kuupid and Orrin
 
Reyzer: Well, against Orrin you were blindsided by a certain issue, which I thought was a bit malevolent
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu agrees on the Orrin vote problem - my personal preference was not that
 
zaxaz: yes, I was somewhat rueful about voting orrin in the penultimate round
 
zaxaz: unfortunately the only thing we have to go on is an assessment of a persons knowledge, and not their character
 
Reyzer: I think character can be assessed to a point. We have had DP's, especially in T1, that have had such forceful characters as to bulldoze their way to the top
 
zaxaz: but I'm a noob, I only have hearsay and my limited exposure
 
Reyzer: True
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in T3 we had a DP that deliberately blew up another players CPs and actually targeted a friend fo the player so the stuff that got blown up wasnt even the person they had a beef with
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: there was no doubt - the DP left detailed info on the wiki about what and why - and since I can read french I knew for myself about what was written
 
zaxaz: I heard all about that incident in the last DP round I was in
 
Reyzer: Not to mention the countless DP's who go awol after winning ;)
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: DPs  are people too - they are not Pharaoh but they can be helpful or hurtful - its always hard to say
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: personally I prefer to think of DPs as helpful - I dont think anyone really gets there on a free-pass
 
Reyzer: Boredom plays a part too. Lat tale it got to the stage of the game actually receeding. I guess some give in to the temptation of impulse and 'stirring things up'
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol - well some code-stir-up would have helped <G>
 
Reyzer: lol
 
Reyzer: I do think we need both ends of the spectrum to  keep the game from becomming staid and predictable
 
zaxaz hopes for an earthquake so he can rebuild his cp with a better layout
 
Reyzer: If Pharaoh won't cause chaos then someone else will fill the void :P
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well actually Pharaoh causes all sort of chaos - look at all the leadership tests - pirates - cartouche - kingmaker <== all loads of drama
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: and then it spills over onto E! == popcorn time!! <LOL>
 
zaxaz: lol
 
zaxaz: it's always fun to read about other peoples drama
 
Reyzer: hehe
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: actually DP is a very very interesting test - Q: can anyone refrain from using (absolute) power for long?
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Q2: are people willing to grant (absolute) power to another?
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: (in DP someone is going to be DP - there are no absentions - so none-of-the-above doesnt work)
 
zaxaz: the game grants absolute power, the people only choose who will get it
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so Teppy forces Egypt to accept DPs (even if you never vote)
 
Reyzer: The track-record suggests bannings to be few and far between, that is, until the end of tales when folks request it to get their name in lights
 
zaxaz: too social of a crowd here...
 
zaxaz: which is why most of my pirate crews distribute evenly
 
Reyzer: yea, not like a DP round to have convo's in it ;)
 
zaxaz: need a few jokers in the deck to liven things up
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: at the end of T3 Teppy suggested that we try a game where there was zero personal property - anyone could take anything - all chests where open and all items on your person where open > Egypt HOWLED louder than the werewolves <G>
 
Reyzer: Didn't you say earlier that jokes were your thing? :)
 
Reyzer: hehe Shu, people want stuff!
 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I guess he missed Richter? <g>
 
Reyzer: hence the constant reviews of DPPRA laws
 
Reyzer: Richter....lol
 
zaxaz: it might be nice if personal property wasn't so strictly enforced
 
zaxaz: i.e., you had to lock your cp to prevent access
 
zaxaz: having some level of advantage for anti-social behavior might bring some would-be misanthrops out of the woodwork
 
Reyzer: the forgetful ones would have a bugger of a time
 
zaxaz: think of the drama that surrounds pappy stealing
 
zaxaz: which is just a small element of egypt life
 
Reyzer: I think DP's should only be allowed to ban a 'marked' player by actually clicking them. The 'mark' would not be able to log out or use nav
 
BlueGrass: I sorry not to be chatting to much at the moment but its almost New year here and fireworks are been let off so I'm comfortiing my dogs
 
Reyzer: Could lead to some interesting chases
 
zaxaz: that would come close to allowing personal violence
 
 
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zaxaz: not that I'm 100 percent against personal violence as a factor, but there are so many places I can go to get all that out of my system, it's nice to come back to egypt and not have to worry about it
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Reyzer: hehe
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zaxaz: happy new year everyone, see you in the next year!
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: happy new year to you too zaxaz
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Reyzer: have a good one
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: im off for now - will try to check in before the end of round - happy new year all
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Reyzer: Sorry guys and gals but to avoid a deadlock I'm going to vote for myself
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Reyzer voted for himself as Demi-Pharaoh.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
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Voting was as follows: ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer. tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer. Decozupop voted for DustiTwister. Reyzer voted for Reyzer.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: good round Gratz to All!
  
  

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Demi-Pharaoh Rank 4.
Welcome Decozupop, Talos, ShuoftheFieryHeat, tanisboy4, Reyzer, Redd, DustiTwister.
In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh.
More information can be found at voting booths.
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Reyzer: Hi all
Reyzer: Good to see some familiar faces ;)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all - glad to see some old friends and get the opportunity to make some new ones
Reyzer: Hi Shu
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
Reyzer: you well?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: doing good and you?
Reyzer: pretty good :)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: interesting chat on ENN - what do you think?
Reyzer: It's good in the fact that Teppy seems to be *listening*
Reyzer: It's hard to try and communicate via the chat though
Reyzer: Seems to be multiple topics on the go atm hehe
ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods - as the shard roll-out approches I see all kinds of upheavals and turmoil starting to happen - Teppy is at least aware of it more than before
Reyzer: yea
ShuoftheFieryHeat: it will be interesting to see how the shards affect DP rounds too - most interesting experiment
Reyzer: It's really laying down a dividing line by the sounds of it
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Kingmaker Rank 4 01/22/2010 Log 2

Reyzer: I play quite a bit still
Reyzer: Blondie and I seem to play at different times
DustiTwister: =D
Reyzer: I'm a candidate but am willing to support if there is someone worth supporting :)
Reyzer: How about yourself?
DustiTwister: I would prefer to be a candidate but will vote for majority if I believe its the right decision.
Reyzer: :)
DustiTwister: I would like the DP position because first of all, I do not strive towards tests. I am constantly working with other people, and I would like the ability to be known to be someone to go to in case of disputes. 
DustiTwister: Another true reason is it would give me a "reason" to continue staying in Egypt. I am finding it to get a little quiet. 
DustiTwister: Am at the point with people I know, They no longer need my help. I do a lot of donations to techs/research and make heaps of materials and such, but, my true calling is with people.
DustiTwister: My qualifications: Business communications course, being a parent of 4, playing atitd for 5 years, and been in 3 tellings. Have been DP (probably as you know in T2), and took a break last telling due to greifing issues that were not handled.
DustiTwister: How about you?
Reyzer: I remember when you started in T2 hehe
DustiTwister: =)
DustiTwister: I remember you living in ND, near..umm the CS iirc
Reyzer: yea, when the cs was near the beetle garden
DustiTwister: yeah =)
Reyzer: Blondie and I ran the public works
DustiTwister: Blondie was first to help me out with the "rich" requirements of silk lol.
Reyzer: lol
DustiTwister: now I try to do that for others because of her.
DustiTwister: However, as you know, recipies for thistles suck this telling.
Reyzer: ugh tell me about it
DustiTwister: =S
DustiTwister: right now, I am salvaging and taking turns using the 2 silk for plantation test among the people in my "small" family guild. 
Reyzer: Game-wise I suppose I am a quieter sort
DustiTwister: indeed. =) ya always were. 
DustiTwister: but sometimes more wisdom comes from the quieter folks. =-)
Reyzer: I can debate with the best of them but don't like to waste words on waffle hehe
Reyzer: prefer to get things done first
DustiTwister: I can respect that. I am a talker. Entertainer, and can be direct. Guess I'm versatile. lol
Reyzer: hehe
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DustiTwister: This semester of college is Applied Human Relations course. I am looking forward to it. More of a psychology based course.
DustiTwister: Am thinking of turning my 2nd major into Psychology.
Reyzer: make sure you keep your feet on the ground :)
DustiTwister: Oh yeah. But its fun.
Reyzer: it must be easy to totally immerse yourslf in it
DustiTwister: Took Psychology 2 semester. Loved that, and here I thought I'd bomb it, turned out to ace it
Reyzer: nice
DustiTwister: the course I'm more concerned about this semseter I would have to say, would be Accounting =S My math skills are a tad rusty lol
Reyzer: eek accounting
DustiTwister: Yes. Required for Computing Business Management major. lol
DustiTwister: I am just beginning to "grow up" and find out what life is calling me to do.
DustiTwister: It has encouraged 3 of my 4 kids to compete against mom and go to college lol
Reyzer: lol
DustiTwister: Its really neat to have the transition from "mom" to friend with my adult kids. 
Reyzer: well, I'm going to turn in. Cya tomorrow :)
Reyzer: tc
DustiTwister: You too =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log captured at:
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is also interested in moving on but will go with the flow :)
DustiTwister: =)
DustiTwister: Hi ya Shu =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: of course the make up of this round is very interesting - there is no way to get a clear winner without cooperation and 3 votes wont do it
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well 1 vote would do it but I think others will vote too <LOL>
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi there Dusti 
DustiTwister: Well, begin with why you want the dp?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: as t4 has progressed I've become more interested in what causes difficulties in the game: a) mechanics = Teppy b) inter-gameplay = player base
ShuoftheFieryHeat: only player based items are within the range of DP and Im interested in the resolution process and I think Shu could help on that
DustiTwister: So, am I understanding you to think you could change the "lack of" interaction in DP's making changes in the system in which it works?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I speak English and some French and Spanish and have lived in Mexico and France so I have some experience with other views than the one in USA
ShuoftheFieryHeat: no not lack of intereact with DPs but helping DPs understand what might be cultural based issues
DustiTwister: cultural based issues have been around here since T1. Most DP's are fully aware. Do you not think so?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think many are and I think that is good basis for a DP  - dont you?
DustiTwister: Indeed. But, just because someone speaks different languages or has lived in specific regions of the world, does not mean, one who has not can not have the same knowledge. For instance...
DustiTwister: I have a spanish speaking player in my personal guild. We communicate perfectly fine between one another. 
DustiTwister: and I understand where she is coming from. 
DustiTwister: I also ran into an issue with a french player. Which I then had to speak french. I use translator, and make sure to say so prior to the conversation
DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think the point is to communicate but then the problems arise in resolution 
DustiTwister: not as often as you imagine. I have not experienced an offended player when it is outright said, there may be translation issues, and to ask what is meant by whatever word may be wrongly translated.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I dont think there are any of us here who have not had some problems with resolution
DustiTwister: The job is still effectivly able to be handled even with translators
DustiTwister: I also enlist the help of french/English speaking players when unable to communicate fast enough.
DustiTwister: particularly TME
DustiTwister: sometimes Esther has helped as well.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hmmm well  even names can be offensive and that may not be a translation problem - one player from Spain uses a historical name which was offensive to a player from Turkey because that historical person (a hero in spain) is a bad guy in Turkey - you wont get that from a translator
DustiTwister: There is nothing we can do about names of  players. And if that be the reason they are fighting, then, that goes back to the "rules of the game". 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: you can only get that from interaction and understanding the historical context
DustiTwister: Correct.
DustiTwister: its all more here about, Personal Ethics and Standards. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: are we have a discussion on the virtues of translators or comminicating with other cultures?
DustiTwister: Both actually. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is talking about other cultures not translators
DustiTwister: Other cultures depend on communication, different languages present different issues, majority of that issue is communication. Where as you may be able to speak and communicate without tranlators and help, I am stating, I am perfectly capable of doing the same thing, using a translator and have never run into a non-patient person who can not understand English while using the translator which has interpeted words in an unintentinal way.
DustiTwister: that is what I am saying. I am capable of the job, not just because I can handle disputes, but I can effectivly communicate just as well as someone who may speak the language.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so.... you dont think its a benefit to know other cultures even if you do not know their language? Cultures are not the same a language.
DustiTwister: Cultures = ways of life, or experiences that particularly pertain to their environment or past environment. I understand that. I am not uneducated about most.
DustiTwister: when in a dispute, most do not partain to "Culture" it partains to "disagreements btwn two players"
ShuoftheFieryHeat: but is it of benefit??
DustiTwister: We have had only one instance of a culture dispute.
DustiTwister: and iirc most all of Egypt was on the same side of the line
DustiTwister: I believe it is important, yet, it is not the majority of a necessary need for DP's
DustiTwister: I believe what is an important quality of a DP is to be able to listen to everything before assuming a solution. Being patient to hear every detail. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so how would you propose that a DP provide a positive influence even in the face of opposition? what would be your program?
DustiTwister: not just listening to details, but observing facts and the base of the issue at hand
DustiTwister: reading between the lines "so to speak"
DustiTwister: What do you mean exactly?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well if you have a situation where you need to listen to two or more players and you want to provide a positive rolemodel of DP interaction but there are others that are not in agreement with you? what kind of things would you do? especially if the others were also DPs?
DustiTwister: If you are asking me if two hot headed individuals are so angry, they call a DP for resolution, how to approach them, then I would say, first important task at hand is to diffuse the heat, so they can calmly discuss the matter with you.
DustiTwister: There is always some solution, even if it is meeting the player half way.
DustiTwister: another way I say that is, to agree to disagree. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: how would you work with other DPs that may not agree with your suggestions?
DustiTwister: I am not obstanent enough to ask myself, could I be using my "pride" to "think" my answer "is the ultimate" in a situation. I have an open mind to suggestions. However, if majority of DP's agree with one another, then apparently I would be wrong to ignore the advice.
DustiTwister: I have no problems thinking for myself either.
DustiTwister: I do not perform for "others" to like me, I am myself. Like me or ya don't.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol I dont think anyone would think you are not your own person Dusti <G>
DustiTwister: I am inclined to think there are very very minimal people who I come across who have issues with me.
DustiTwister: I can name 1 for sure. That is about all. Yet, we can still be next to one another and not have problems.
DustiTwister: it is one of those, "Agree to disagree" situations.
DustiTwister: We still respect each other.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think Teppy has made this a very interesting test of RL in a virtual environment.  Here we get to say and do things experiemnt with options in a non-dangerous way.
DustiTwister: Agreed.
DustiTwister: Its a portal to introduce us to many different PoV's
ShuoftheFieryHeat: forexample: Talos and Decoz are connected to Bluegrass (DP) and tanisboy4 is a mule of someone (dunno who) - so there is a possibility (not saying reality) that decoz and talos could pass on one of themselves
ShuoftheFieryHeat: now - that to me is interesting - because it experiments with what Shu thinks is "right and proper" but that may not be what they others feel or think < that is a challenge for Shu 
DustiTwister: that type of behavior has been around in ATITD since the start tho.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so... experiment: IF you were a DP and another DP was in the same place and you both disagreed about what is "right and proper" how does that influence the rest of the game and players? Is there anything a DP can do or say?
DustiTwister: its not about whats "right and proper" in our own world, but in the minds of each individual.
DustiTwister: its an "ethics" issue.
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DustiTwister: I am never "too proud" to stand down if necessary to prevent a major dispute if I know that even if I do not agree, it doesn't create chaos to do so.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ethics are as variable as people in the world - that is the challenge.  There are no rules to Egypt and player based rules are few.  So no rules no foul.
DustiTwister: There is a "stigma" of Ethics found in Egypt.
DustiTwister: The rules may not be "written" but it is basically "understood"
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ah... the "understood" ones - please list them <G>
ShuoftheFieryHeat: certainly shu has never seen a list on the wiki - except the one Shu put up.
DustiTwister: one for example would be the land issues: Most ATITD players who have been around, understand there is a need to have a big Plot set aside for future growth.
DustiTwister: there is no "rule" that says, if you put a cp there, it becomes "yours"
DustiTwister: its just "understood" 
DustiTwister: and I'd give it a good 80% of Egyptians are on that "understanding"
DustiTwister: its not a "rule" yet its something thats gone by.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well that one gets challenged all the time - new players do not know and old players may not care - if your near a clay bed - and ovens gonna show up 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: (teppy maybe fixing that though - PLEASE fix it!!)
DustiTwister giggles
DustiTwister: It would truely amaze me if he did
ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods 99x
DustiTwister: I need to afk to begin our dinner here irl, is there anything further you would like me to answer?
DustiTwister: I would love to ask more questions for you, but I need to get that started, not sure how long you will be here for.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: its been a very interesting chat Dusti - you are a very knowledgeable person! But Shu already knew that and I've been happy to have the opportunity to chat you indepth
DustiTwister: Aww, Thank you =D
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu will be here thru the festival today
DustiTwister: oh good, Me too. Hence why dinner needs to be cooked "before" festi's lol
ShuoftheFieryHeat: manga manga then
DustiTwister: or else hemptwister commin home to cookin dinner for us lol
DustiTwister: (not particularly good when hes a chef all day to begin with)
DustiTwister: afk for about 20-30 min
ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log updated - great chat Dusti! 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
DustiTwister: Am back already. Hemptwister had the peppers already cut and I only had to do the onions =)
DustiTwister: Making Sweet Sausage w/peppers, onions, tomatos over vegetable Rotini =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: yummm
DustiTwister is starving as it is lol
Reyzer: Evening all
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
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Reyzer: Hi Shu, hows things?
DustiTwister: hi reyzer, at festi's arn't you?
Reyzer: Hi Dusti, yep gettin ready
DustiTwister: =D
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tanisboy4: hello all
tanisboy4: anyone want to make me king
Reyzer: hehe
Reyzer: I'm sure we all would like to be king
tanisboy4: oh but poor boy becoming king has good ring to it
tanisboy4: dont u think
Reyzer: sure
tanisboy4: well reyzer so your so nice chating with me i will vote for u
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Reyzer: Thanks for the vote :) but are you sure that you don't want to wait and see what the other candidates have to say? 
DustiTwister: uhh, what did I miss?
DustiTwister: was participating in the event =(
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Reyzer: You didn't miss much
Reyzer: tanisboy wasn't on for very long
DustiTwister: yeah, i noticed. Didn't get to talk myself. Was involved in the event.
DustiTwister: ah well..
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: wow that's interesting!
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Decozupop: why is that interesting?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: the instant change in vote
Decozupop: I clicked the wrong name thats all
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ahhh :)
Decozupop: have you never clicked in the wrong place before?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes of course - but sometimes I say "wrong click" if I want folks to know what was going on
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Kingmaker Rank 4 01/22/2010 Log 3

DustiTwister: =D Gotta question for you?
Reyzer: sure
DustiTwister: Why do you want to be DP, and what does being DP mean to you? If I am to make a decision, I have not heard what you believe.
Reyzer: I means more to me now than it has before
Reyzer: I've always been involved in DP, ever since T2 but always in the background, helping others out
Reyzer: I got a bit disillusioned with it
DustiTwister: what do you mean dillisusioned by it?
Reyzer: It started being the same old repetitive blah blah
Reyzer: The speeches and debated were all full of the same soundbites
Reyzer: debates*
DustiTwister: so what makes you want it?
Reyzer: To an extent they still are and will always be but I've always had soft spot for being a bit different
Reyzer: It would be the culmination of a lot of time and effort put in
Reyzer: As i've said before, I'm not one for small talk hehe
Reyzer: I'm not scared of making decisions
DustiTwister: so what drives you to want to "be" the DP that makes it so much more important this time than anytime in the past? I still do not understand your position.
Reyzer: So I can ban anyone who crumbles my cages
Reyzer: ;P
DustiTwister: =P
Reyzer: It's a DP round and no less important than any others, past or present
DustiTwister: cute answer =S am still unsure. Cuz I would love to have the position myself. =S but I will not deadlock
Reyzer: Deadlock is not an option
DustiTwister: well I won't vote for myself unless its preventing one....I am taking into consideration how you want it as well.
DustiTwister: so what it boils down to is, Who Shu votes for is who I vote for
Reyzer: Perfectly acceptable to vote for yourself to break a deadlock
DustiTwister: indeed.
Reyzer: But yes, Shu and Talos still need to vote
DustiTwister: voting for myself has only been done for that reason Only, in any DP round ...which has happend maybe twice in 3 tellings.
Reyzer: Gah Sunday passes are getting harder to read hehe
Reyzer: So, do you think DP is different now that is different from previous tales?
Reyzer: ugh that doesn't make much sense
Reyzer: Do you think it's different now that it's not a test
DustiTwister: I think there are more people who persue it that are sincere about it. The voting in terms of Egypt still seems to be for the "popularity" and not the answers or the reputation.
Reyzer: yep, and lack of decent competition
DustiTwister: Realistically, That is how I see it.
Reyzer: I'm off for tonight, cya later
DustiTwister: okay. See ya soon.
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Reyzer: Sorry guys and gals but to avoid a deadlock I'm going to vote for myself
Reyzer voted for himself as Demi-Pharaoh.
ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
Voting was as follows: ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer. tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer. Decozupop voted for DustiTwister. Reyzer voted for Reyzer. 
Reyzer received 3 votes. 
Reyzer is elevated to the next election.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: good round Gratz to All!



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