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Demi-Pharaoh Rank 4.
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Welcome Decozupop, Talos, ShuoftheFieryHeat, tanisboy4, Reyzer, Redd, DustiTwister.
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In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh.
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More information can be found at voting booths.
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Reyzer: Hi all
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Reyzer: Good to see some familiar faces ;)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all - glad to see some old friends and get the opportunity to make some new ones
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Reyzer: Hi Shu
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
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Reyzer: you well?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: doing good and you?
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Reyzer: pretty good :)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: interesting chat on ENN - what do you think?
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Reyzer: It's good in the fact that Teppy seems to be *listening*
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Reyzer: It's hard to try and communicate via the chat though
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Reyzer: Seems to be multiple topics on the go atm hehe
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods - as the shard roll-out approches I see all kinds of upheavals and turmoil starting to happen - Teppy is at least aware of it more than before
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Reyzer: yea
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: it will be interesting to see how the shards affect DP rounds too - most interesting experiment
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Reyzer: It's really laying down a dividing line by the sounds of it
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Reyzer: I play quite a bit still
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Reyzer: Blondie and I seem to play at different times
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DustiTwister: =D
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Reyzer: I'm a candidate but am willing to support if there is someone worth supporting :)
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Reyzer: How about yourself?
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DustiTwister: I would prefer to be a candidate but will vote for majority if I believe its the right decision.
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Reyzer: :)
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DustiTwister: I would like the DP position because first of all, I do not strive towards tests. I am constantly working with other people, and I would like the ability to be known to be someone to go to in case of disputes.
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DustiTwister: Another true reason is it would give me a "reason" to continue staying in Egypt. I am finding it to get a little quiet.
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DustiTwister: Am at the point with people I know, They no longer need my help. I do a lot of donations to techs/research and make heaps of materials and such, but, my true calling is with people.
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DustiTwister: My qualifications: Business communications course, being a parent of 4, playing atitd for 5 years, and been in 3 tellings. Have been DP (probably as you know in T2), and took a break last telling due to greifing issues that were not handled.
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DustiTwister: How about you?
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Reyzer: I remember when you started in T2 hehe
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DustiTwister: =)
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DustiTwister: I remember you living in ND, near..umm the CS iirc
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Reyzer: yea, when the cs was near the beetle garden
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DustiTwister: yeah =)
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Reyzer: Blondie and I ran the public works
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DustiTwister: Blondie was first to help me out with the "rich" requirements of silk lol.
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Reyzer: lol
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DustiTwister: now I try to do that for others because of her.
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DustiTwister: However, as you know, recipies for thistles suck this telling.
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Reyzer: ugh tell me about it
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DustiTwister: =S
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DustiTwister: right now, I am salvaging and taking turns using the 2 silk for plantation test among the people in my "small" family guild.
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Reyzer: Game-wise I suppose I am a quieter sort
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DustiTwister: indeed. =) ya always were.
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DustiTwister: but sometimes more wisdom comes from the quieter folks. =-)
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Reyzer: I can debate with the best of them but don't like to waste words on waffle hehe
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Reyzer: prefer to get things done first
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DustiTwister: I can respect that. I am a talker. Entertainer, and can be direct. Guess I'm versatile. lol
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Reyzer: hehe
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DustiTwister: This semester of college is Applied Human Relations course. I am looking forward to it. More of a psychology based course.
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DustiTwister: Am thinking of turning my 2nd major into Psychology.
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Reyzer: make sure you keep your feet on the ground :)
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DustiTwister: Oh yeah. But its fun.
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Reyzer: it must be easy to totally immerse yourslf in it
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DustiTwister: Took Psychology 2 semester. Loved that, and here I thought I'd bomb it, turned out to ace it
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Reyzer: nice
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DustiTwister: the course I'm more concerned about this semseter I would have to say, would be Accounting =S My math skills are a tad rusty lol
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Reyzer: eek accounting
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DustiTwister: Yes. Required for Computing Business Management major. lol
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DustiTwister: I am just beginning to "grow up" and find out what life is calling me to do.
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DustiTwister: It has encouraged 3 of my 4 kids to compete against mom and go to college lol
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Reyzer: lol
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DustiTwister: Its really neat to have the transition from "mom" to friend with my adult kids.
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Reyzer: well, I'm going to turn in. Cya tomorrow :)
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Reyzer: tc
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DustiTwister: You too =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log captured at:
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is also interested in moving on but will go with the flow :)
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DustiTwister: =)
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DustiTwister: Hi ya Shu =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: of course the make up of this round is very interesting - there is no way to get a clear winner without cooperation and 3 votes wont do it
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well 1 vote would do it but I think others will vote too <LOL>
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi there Dusti
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DustiTwister: Well, begin with why you want the dp?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: as t4 has progressed I've become more interested in what causes difficulties in the game: a) mechanics = Teppy b) inter-gameplay = player base
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: only player based items are within the range of DP and Im interested in the resolution process and I think Shu could help on that
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DustiTwister: So, am I understanding you to think you could change the "lack of" interaction in DP's making changes in the system in which it works?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I speak English and some French and Spanish and have lived in Mexico and France so I have some experience with other views than the one in USA
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: no not lack of intereact with DPs but helping DPs understand what might be cultural based issues
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DustiTwister: cultural based issues have been around here since T1. Most DP's are fully aware. Do you not think so?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think many are and I think that is good basis for a DP  - dont you?
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DustiTwister: Indeed. But, just because someone speaks different languages or has lived in specific regions of the world, does not mean, one who has not can not have the same knowledge. For instance...
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DustiTwister: I have a spanish speaking player in my personal guild. We communicate perfectly fine between one another.
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DustiTwister: and I understand where she is coming from.
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DustiTwister: I also ran into an issue with a french player. Which I then had to speak french. I use translator, and make sure to say so prior to the conversation
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DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
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DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
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DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
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DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
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DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
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DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
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DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
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DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
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DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
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DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think the point is to communicate but then the problems arise in resolution
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DustiTwister: not as often as you imagine. I have not experienced an offended player when it is outright said, there may be translation issues, and to ask what is meant by whatever word may be wrongly translated.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I dont think there are any of us here who have not had some problems with resolution
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DustiTwister: The job is still effectivly able to be handled even with translators
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DustiTwister: I also enlist the help of french/English speaking players when unable to communicate fast enough.
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DustiTwister: particularly TME
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DustiTwister: sometimes Esther has helped as well.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hmmm well  even names can be offensive and that may not be a translation problem - one player from Spain uses a historical name which was offensive to a player from Turkey because that historical person (a hero in spain) is a bad guy in Turkey - you wont get that from a translator
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DustiTwister: There is nothing we can do about names of  players. And if that be the reason they are fighting, then, that goes back to the "rules of the game".
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: you can only get that from interaction and understanding the historical context
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DustiTwister: Correct.
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DustiTwister: its all more here about, Personal Ethics and Standards.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: are we have a discussion on the virtues of translators or comminicating with other cultures?
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DustiTwister: Both actually.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is talking about other cultures not translators
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DustiTwister: Other cultures depend on communication, different languages present different issues, majority of that issue is communication. Where as you may be able to speak and communicate without tranlators and help, I am stating, I am perfectly capable of doing the same thing, using a translator and have never run into a non-patient person who can not understand English while using the translator which has interpeted words in an unintentinal way.
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DustiTwister: that is what I am saying. I am capable of the job, not just because I can handle disputes, but I can effectivly communicate just as well as someone who may speak the language.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so.... you dont think its a benefit to know other cultures even if you do not know their language? Cultures are not the same a language.
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DustiTwister: Cultures = ways of life, or experiences that particularly pertain to their environment or past environment. I understand that. I am not uneducated about most.
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DustiTwister: when in a dispute, most do not partain to "Culture" it partains to "disagreements btwn two players"
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: but is it of benefit??
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DustiTwister: We have had only one instance of a culture dispute.
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DustiTwister: and iirc most all of Egypt was on the same side of the line
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DustiTwister: I believe it is important, yet, it is not the majority of a necessary need for DP's
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DustiTwister: I believe what is an important quality of a DP is to be able to listen to everything before assuming a solution. Being patient to hear every detail.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so how would you propose that a DP provide a positive influence even in the face of opposition? what would be your program?
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DustiTwister: not just listening to details, but observing facts and the base of the issue at hand
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DustiTwister: reading between the lines "so to speak"
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DustiTwister: What do you mean exactly?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well if you have a situation where you need to listen to two or more players and you want to provide a positive rolemodel of DP interaction but there are others that are not in agreement with you? what kind of things would you do? especially if the others were also DPs?
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DustiTwister: If you are asking me if two hot headed individuals are so angry, they call a DP for resolution, how to approach them, then I would say, first important task at hand is to diffuse the heat, so they can calmly discuss the matter with you.
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DustiTwister: There is always some solution, even if it is meeting the player half way.
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DustiTwister: another way I say that is, to agree to disagree.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: how would you work with other DPs that may not agree with your suggestions?
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DustiTwister: I am not obstanent enough to ask myself, could I be using my "pride" to "think" my answer "is the ultimate" in a situation. I have an open mind to suggestions. However, if majority of DP's agree with one another, then apparently I would be wrong to ignore the advice.
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DustiTwister: I have no problems thinking for myself either.
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DustiTwister: I do not perform for "others" to like me, I am myself. Like me or ya don't.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol I dont think anyone would think you are not your own person Dusti <G>
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DustiTwister: I am inclined to think there are very very minimal people who I come across who have issues with me.
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DustiTwister: I can name 1 for sure. That is about all. Yet, we can still be next to one another and not have problems.
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DustiTwister: it is one of those, "Agree to disagree" situations.
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DustiTwister: We still respect each other.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think Teppy has made this a very interesting test of RL in a virtual environment.  Here we get to say and do things experiemnt with options in a non-dangerous way.
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DustiTwister: Agreed.
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DustiTwister: Its a portal to introduce us to many different PoV's
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: forexample: Talos and Decoz are connected to Bluegrass (DP) and tanisboy4 is a mule of someone (dunno who) - so there is a possibility (not saying reality) that decoz and talos could pass on one of themselves
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: now - that to me is interesting - because it experiments with what Shu thinks is "right and proper" but that may not be what they others feel or think < that is a challenge for Shu
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DustiTwister: that type of behavior has been around in ATITD since the start tho.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: so... experiment: IF you were a DP and another DP was in the same place and you both disagreed about what is "right and proper" how does that influence the rest of the game and players? Is there anything a DP can do or say?
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DustiTwister: its not about whats "right and proper" in our own world, but in the minds of each individual.
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DustiTwister: its an "ethics" issue.
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DustiTwister: I am never "too proud" to stand down if necessary to prevent a major dispute if I know that even if I do not agree, it doesn't create chaos to do so.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ethics are as variable as people in the world - that is the challenge.  There are no rules to Egypt and player based rules are few.  So no rules no foul.
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DustiTwister: There is a "stigma" of Ethics found in Egypt.
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DustiTwister: The rules may not be "written" but it is basically "understood"
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ah... the "understood" ones - please list them <G>
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: certainly shu has never seen a list on the wiki - except the one Shu put up.
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DustiTwister: one for example would be the land issues: Most ATITD players who have been around, understand there is a need to have a big Plot set aside for future growth.
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DustiTwister: there is no "rule" that says, if you put a cp there, it becomes "yours"
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DustiTwister: its just "understood"
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DustiTwister: and I'd give it a good 80% of Egyptians are on that "understanding"
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DustiTwister: its not a "rule" yet its something thats gone by.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: well that one gets challenged all the time - new players do not know and old players may not care - if your near a clay bed - and ovens gonna show up
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: (teppy maybe fixing that though - PLEASE fix it!!)
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DustiTwister giggles
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DustiTwister: It would truely amaze me if he did
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods 99x
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DustiTwister: I need to afk to begin our dinner here irl, is there anything further you would like me to answer?
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DustiTwister: I would love to ask more questions for you, but I need to get that started, not sure how long you will be here for.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: its been a very interesting chat Dusti - you are a very knowledgeable person! But Shu already knew that and I've been happy to have the opportunity to chat you indepth
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DustiTwister: Aww, Thank you =D
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu will be here thru the festival today
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DustiTwister: oh good, Me too. Hence why dinner needs to be cooked "before" festi's lol
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: manga manga then
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DustiTwister: or else hemptwister commin home to cookin dinner for us lol
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DustiTwister: (not particularly good when hes a chef all day to begin with)
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DustiTwister: afk for about 20-30 min
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log updated - great chat Dusti!
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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DustiTwister: Am back already. Hemptwister had the peppers already cut and I only had to do the onions =)
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DustiTwister: Making Sweet Sausage w/peppers, onions, tomatos over vegetable Rotini =)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: yummm
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DustiTwister is starving as it is lol
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Reyzer: Evening all
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
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Reyzer: Hi Shu, hows things?
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DustiTwister: hi reyzer, at festi's arn't you?
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Reyzer: Hi Dusti, yep gettin ready
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DustiTwister: =D
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tanisboy4: hello all
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tanisboy4: anyone want to make me king
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Reyzer: hehe
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Reyzer: I'm sure we all would like to be king
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tanisboy4: oh but poor boy becoming king has good ring to it
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tanisboy4: dont u think
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Reyzer: sure
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tanisboy4: well reyzer so your so nice chating with me i will vote for u
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tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
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Reyzer: Thanks for the vote :) but are you sure that you don't want to wait and see what the other candidates have to say?
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DustiTwister: uhh, what did I miss?
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DustiTwister: was participating in the event =(
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Reyzer: You didn't miss much
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Reyzer: tanisboy wasn't on for very long
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DustiTwister: yeah, i noticed. Didn't get to talk myself. Was involved in the event.
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DustiTwister: ah well..
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: wow that's interesting!
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Decozupop: why is that interesting?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: the instant change in vote
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Decozupop: I clicked the wrong name thats all
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: ahhh :)
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Decozupop: have you never clicked in the wrong place before?
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes of course - but sometimes I say "wrong click" if I want folks to know what was going on
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DustiTwister: =D Gotta question for you?
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Reyzer: sure
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DustiTwister: Why do you want to be DP, and what does being DP mean to you? If I am to make a decision, I have not heard what you believe.
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Reyzer: I means more to me now than it has before
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Reyzer: I've always been involved in DP, ever since T2 but always in the background, helping others out
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Reyzer: I got a bit disillusioned with it
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DustiTwister: what do you mean dillisusioned by it?
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Reyzer: It started being the same old repetitive blah blah
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Reyzer: The speeches and debated were all full of the same soundbites
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Reyzer: debates*
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DustiTwister: so what makes you want it?
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Reyzer: To an extent they still are and will always be but I've always had soft spot for being a bit different
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Reyzer: It would be the culmination of a lot of time and effort put in
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Reyzer: As i've said before, I'm not one for small talk hehe
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Reyzer: I'm not scared of making decisions
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DustiTwister: so what drives you to want to "be" the DP that makes it so much more important this time than anytime in the past? I still do not understand your position.
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Reyzer: So I can ban anyone who crumbles my cages
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Reyzer: ;P
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DustiTwister: =P
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Reyzer: It's a DP round and no less important than any others, past or present
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DustiTwister: cute answer =S am still unsure. Cuz I would love to have the position myself. =S but I will not deadlock
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Reyzer: Deadlock is not an option
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DustiTwister: well I won't vote for myself unless its preventing one....I am taking into consideration how you want it as well.
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DustiTwister: so what it boils down to is, Who Shu votes for is who I vote for
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Reyzer: Perfectly acceptable to vote for yourself to break a deadlock
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DustiTwister: indeed.
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Reyzer: But yes, Shu and Talos still need to vote
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DustiTwister: voting for myself has only been done for that reason Only, in any DP round ...which has happend maybe twice in 3 tellings.
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Reyzer: Gah Sunday passes are getting harder to read hehe
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Reyzer: So, do you think DP is different now that is different from previous tales?
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Reyzer: ugh that doesn't make much sense
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Reyzer: Do you think it's different now that it's not a test
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DustiTwister: I think there are more people who persue it that are sincere about it. The voting in terms of Egypt still seems to be for the "popularity" and not the answers or the reputation.
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Reyzer: yep, and lack of decent competition
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DustiTwister: Realistically, That is how I see it.
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Reyzer: I'm off for tonight, cya later
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DustiTwister: okay. See ya soon.
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Reyzer: Sorry guys and gals but to avoid a deadlock I'm going to vote for myself
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ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
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Voting was as follows: ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer. tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer. Decozupop voted for DustiTwister. Reyzer voted for Reyzer.
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: good round Gratz to All!
  
  

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Kingmaker Rank 4 01/22/2010 Log 1

Demi-Pharaoh Rank 4.
Welcome Decozupop, Talos, ShuoftheFieryHeat, tanisboy4, Reyzer, Redd, DustiTwister.
In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh.
More information can be found at voting booths.
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Reyzer: Hi all
Reyzer: Good to see some familiar faces ;)
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all - glad to see some old friends and get the opportunity to make some new ones
Reyzer: Hi Shu
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
Reyzer: you well?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: doing good and you?
Reyzer: pretty good :)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: interesting chat on ENN - what do you think?
Reyzer: It's good in the fact that Teppy seems to be *listening*
Reyzer: It's hard to try and communicate via the chat though
Reyzer: Seems to be multiple topics on the go atm hehe
ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods - as the shard roll-out approches I see all kinds of upheavals and turmoil starting to happen - Teppy is at least aware of it more than before
Reyzer: yea
ShuoftheFieryHeat: it will be interesting to see how the shards affect DP rounds too - most interesting experiment
Reyzer: It's really laying down a dividing line by the sounds of it
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Kingmaker Rank 4 01/22/2010 Log 2

Reyzer: I play quite a bit still
Reyzer: Blondie and I seem to play at different times
DustiTwister: =D
Reyzer: I'm a candidate but am willing to support if there is someone worth supporting :)
Reyzer: How about yourself?
DustiTwister: I would prefer to be a candidate but will vote for majority if I believe its the right decision.
Reyzer: :)
DustiTwister: I would like the DP position because first of all, I do not strive towards tests. I am constantly working with other people, and I would like the ability to be known to be someone to go to in case of disputes. 
DustiTwister: Another true reason is it would give me a "reason" to continue staying in Egypt. I am finding it to get a little quiet. 
DustiTwister: Am at the point with people I know, They no longer need my help. I do a lot of donations to techs/research and make heaps of materials and such, but, my true calling is with people.
DustiTwister: My qualifications: Business communications course, being a parent of 4, playing atitd for 5 years, and been in 3 tellings. Have been DP (probably as you know in T2), and took a break last telling due to greifing issues that were not handled.
DustiTwister: How about you?
Reyzer: I remember when you started in T2 hehe
DustiTwister: =)
DustiTwister: I remember you living in ND, near..umm the CS iirc
Reyzer: yea, when the cs was near the beetle garden
DustiTwister: yeah =)
Reyzer: Blondie and I ran the public works
DustiTwister: Blondie was first to help me out with the "rich" requirements of silk lol.
Reyzer: lol
DustiTwister: now I try to do that for others because of her.
DustiTwister: However, as you know, recipies for thistles suck this telling.
Reyzer: ugh tell me about it
DustiTwister: =S
DustiTwister: right now, I am salvaging and taking turns using the 2 silk for plantation test among the people in my "small" family guild. 
Reyzer: Game-wise I suppose I am a quieter sort
DustiTwister: indeed. =) ya always were. 
DustiTwister: but sometimes more wisdom comes from the quieter folks. =-)
Reyzer: I can debate with the best of them but don't like to waste words on waffle hehe
Reyzer: prefer to get things done first
DustiTwister: I can respect that. I am a talker. Entertainer, and can be direct. Guess I'm versatile. lol
Reyzer: hehe
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DustiTwister: This semester of college is Applied Human Relations course. I am looking forward to it. More of a psychology based course.
DustiTwister: Am thinking of turning my 2nd major into Psychology.
Reyzer: make sure you keep your feet on the ground :)
DustiTwister: Oh yeah. But its fun.
Reyzer: it must be easy to totally immerse yourslf in it
DustiTwister: Took Psychology 2 semester. Loved that, and here I thought I'd bomb it, turned out to ace it
Reyzer: nice
DustiTwister: the course I'm more concerned about this semseter I would have to say, would be Accounting =S My math skills are a tad rusty lol
Reyzer: eek accounting
DustiTwister: Yes. Required for Computing Business Management major. lol
DustiTwister: I am just beginning to "grow up" and find out what life is calling me to do.
DustiTwister: It has encouraged 3 of my 4 kids to compete against mom and go to college lol
Reyzer: lol
DustiTwister: Its really neat to have the transition from "mom" to friend with my adult kids. 
Reyzer: well, I'm going to turn in. Cya tomorrow :)
Reyzer: tc
DustiTwister: You too =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log captured at:
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is also interested in moving on but will go with the flow :)
DustiTwister: =)
DustiTwister: Hi ya Shu =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: of course the make up of this round is very interesting - there is no way to get a clear winner without cooperation and 3 votes wont do it
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well 1 vote would do it but I think others will vote too <LOL>
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi there Dusti 
DustiTwister: Well, begin with why you want the dp?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: as t4 has progressed I've become more interested in what causes difficulties in the game: a) mechanics = Teppy b) inter-gameplay = player base
ShuoftheFieryHeat: only player based items are within the range of DP and Im interested in the resolution process and I think Shu could help on that
DustiTwister: So, am I understanding you to think you could change the "lack of" interaction in DP's making changes in the system in which it works?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I speak English and some French and Spanish and have lived in Mexico and France so I have some experience with other views than the one in USA
ShuoftheFieryHeat: no not lack of intereact with DPs but helping DPs understand what might be cultural based issues
DustiTwister: cultural based issues have been around here since T1. Most DP's are fully aware. Do you not think so?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think many are and I think that is good basis for a DP  - dont you?
DustiTwister: Indeed. But, just because someone speaks different languages or has lived in specific regions of the world, does not mean, one who has not can not have the same knowledge. For instance...
DustiTwister: I have a spanish speaking player in my personal guild. We communicate perfectly fine between one another. 
DustiTwister: and I understand where she is coming from. 
DustiTwister: I also ran into an issue with a french player. Which I then had to speak french. I use translator, and make sure to say so prior to the conversation
DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
DustiTwister: Mind you the French player was intoxicated and was trying to give me everything she owned.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: :)
DustiTwister: That was very interesting to say the least ROFL
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think that many people can communicate just fine but it does require an open mind about what is being said
ShuoftheFieryHeat: idioms do not translate - try The bobby is armed with a stiff upper lip and a wooden trunceon > put that in any translator and see what you get
ShuoftheFieryHeat: in english (usa) we use loads of idioms - baseball football and others may not have a clue what we are saying and may take offense
DustiTwister: I am fully aware of that, but most people, who are of a different language feel somewhat "alone" and are more than forgiving of translation issues.
DustiTwister: in fact, one said to me that if it were not for me, they would have not felt so "welcome" to ATITD because I went out of my way to communicate
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well - thats nice if we want to force them to communicate with us on our terms but I would like to understand them on their terms
DustiTwister: That is the purpose to explain the uses of translators "prior' to conversations.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think the point is to communicate but then the problems arise in resolution 
DustiTwister: not as often as you imagine. I have not experienced an offended player when it is outright said, there may be translation issues, and to ask what is meant by whatever word may be wrongly translated.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I dont think there are any of us here who have not had some problems with resolution
DustiTwister: The job is still effectivly able to be handled even with translators
DustiTwister: I also enlist the help of french/English speaking players when unable to communicate fast enough.
DustiTwister: particularly TME
DustiTwister: sometimes Esther has helped as well.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hmmm well  even names can be offensive and that may not be a translation problem - one player from Spain uses a historical name which was offensive to a player from Turkey because that historical person (a hero in spain) is a bad guy in Turkey - you wont get that from a translator
DustiTwister: There is nothing we can do about names of  players. And if that be the reason they are fighting, then, that goes back to the "rules of the game". 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: you can only get that from interaction and understanding the historical context
DustiTwister: Correct.
DustiTwister: its all more here about, Personal Ethics and Standards. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: are we have a discussion on the virtues of translators or comminicating with other cultures?
DustiTwister: Both actually. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu is talking about other cultures not translators
DustiTwister: Other cultures depend on communication, different languages present different issues, majority of that issue is communication. Where as you may be able to speak and communicate without tranlators and help, I am stating, I am perfectly capable of doing the same thing, using a translator and have never run into a non-patient person who can not understand English while using the translator which has interpeted words in an unintentinal way.
DustiTwister: that is what I am saying. I am capable of the job, not just because I can handle disputes, but I can effectivly communicate just as well as someone who may speak the language.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so.... you dont think its a benefit to know other cultures even if you do not know their language? Cultures are not the same a language.
DustiTwister: Cultures = ways of life, or experiences that particularly pertain to their environment or past environment. I understand that. I am not uneducated about most.
DustiTwister: when in a dispute, most do not partain to "Culture" it partains to "disagreements btwn two players"
ShuoftheFieryHeat: but is it of benefit??
DustiTwister: We have had only one instance of a culture dispute.
DustiTwister: and iirc most all of Egypt was on the same side of the line
DustiTwister: I believe it is important, yet, it is not the majority of a necessary need for DP's
DustiTwister: I believe what is an important quality of a DP is to be able to listen to everything before assuming a solution. Being patient to hear every detail. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so how would you propose that a DP provide a positive influence even in the face of opposition? what would be your program?
DustiTwister: not just listening to details, but observing facts and the base of the issue at hand
DustiTwister: reading between the lines "so to speak"
DustiTwister: What do you mean exactly?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well if you have a situation where you need to listen to two or more players and you want to provide a positive rolemodel of DP interaction but there are others that are not in agreement with you? what kind of things would you do? especially if the others were also DPs?
DustiTwister: If you are asking me if two hot headed individuals are so angry, they call a DP for resolution, how to approach them, then I would say, first important task at hand is to diffuse the heat, so they can calmly discuss the matter with you.
DustiTwister: There is always some solution, even if it is meeting the player half way.
DustiTwister: another way I say that is, to agree to disagree. 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: how would you work with other DPs that may not agree with your suggestions?
DustiTwister: I am not obstanent enough to ask myself, could I be using my "pride" to "think" my answer "is the ultimate" in a situation. I have an open mind to suggestions. However, if majority of DP's agree with one another, then apparently I would be wrong to ignore the advice.
DustiTwister: I have no problems thinking for myself either.
DustiTwister: I do not perform for "others" to like me, I am myself. Like me or ya don't.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol I dont think anyone would think you are not your own person Dusti <G>
DustiTwister: I am inclined to think there are very very minimal people who I come across who have issues with me.
DustiTwister: I can name 1 for sure. That is about all. Yet, we can still be next to one another and not have problems.
DustiTwister: it is one of those, "Agree to disagree" situations.
DustiTwister: We still respect each other.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: I think Teppy has made this a very interesting test of RL in a virtual environment.  Here we get to say and do things experiemnt with options in a non-dangerous way.
DustiTwister: Agreed.
DustiTwister: Its a portal to introduce us to many different PoV's
ShuoftheFieryHeat: forexample: Talos and Decoz are connected to Bluegrass (DP) and tanisboy4 is a mule of someone (dunno who) - so there is a possibility (not saying reality) that decoz and talos could pass on one of themselves
ShuoftheFieryHeat: now - that to me is interesting - because it experiments with what Shu thinks is "right and proper" but that may not be what they others feel or think < that is a challenge for Shu 
DustiTwister: that type of behavior has been around in ATITD since the start tho.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: so... experiment: IF you were a DP and another DP was in the same place and you both disagreed about what is "right and proper" how does that influence the rest of the game and players? Is there anything a DP can do or say?
DustiTwister: its not about whats "right and proper" in our own world, but in the minds of each individual.
DustiTwister: its an "ethics" issue.
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DustiTwister: I am never "too proud" to stand down if necessary to prevent a major dispute if I know that even if I do not agree, it doesn't create chaos to do so.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ethics are as variable as people in the world - that is the challenge.  There are no rules to Egypt and player based rules are few.  So no rules no foul.
DustiTwister: There is a "stigma" of Ethics found in Egypt.
DustiTwister: The rules may not be "written" but it is basically "understood"
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ah... the "understood" ones - please list them <G>
ShuoftheFieryHeat: certainly shu has never seen a list on the wiki - except the one Shu put up.
DustiTwister: one for example would be the land issues: Most ATITD players who have been around, understand there is a need to have a big Plot set aside for future growth.
DustiTwister: there is no "rule" that says, if you put a cp there, it becomes "yours"
DustiTwister: its just "understood" 
DustiTwister: and I'd give it a good 80% of Egyptians are on that "understanding"
DustiTwister: its not a "rule" yet its something thats gone by.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: well that one gets challenged all the time - new players do not know and old players may not care - if your near a clay bed - and ovens gonna show up 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: (teppy maybe fixing that though - PLEASE fix it!!)
DustiTwister giggles
DustiTwister: It would truely amaze me if he did
ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods 99x
DustiTwister: I need to afk to begin our dinner here irl, is there anything further you would like me to answer?
DustiTwister: I would love to ask more questions for you, but I need to get that started, not sure how long you will be here for.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: its been a very interesting chat Dusti - you are a very knowledgeable person! But Shu already knew that and I've been happy to have the opportunity to chat you indepth
DustiTwister: Aww, Thank you =D
ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu will be here thru the festival today
DustiTwister: oh good, Me too. Hence why dinner needs to be cooked "before" festi's lol
ShuoftheFieryHeat: manga manga then
DustiTwister: or else hemptwister commin home to cookin dinner for us lol
DustiTwister: (not particularly good when hes a chef all day to begin with)
DustiTwister: afk for about 20-30 min
ShuoftheFieryHeat: chat log updated - great chat Dusti! 
ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs
DustiTwister: Am back already. Hemptwister had the peppers already cut and I only had to do the onions =)
DustiTwister: Making Sweet Sausage w/peppers, onions, tomatos over vegetable Rotini =)
ShuoftheFieryHeat: yummm
DustiTwister is starving as it is lol
Reyzer: Evening all
ShuoftheFieryHeat: hiyas
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Reyzer: Hi Shu, hows things?
DustiTwister: hi reyzer, at festi's arn't you?
Reyzer: Hi Dusti, yep gettin ready
DustiTwister: =D
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tanisboy4: hello all
tanisboy4: anyone want to make me king
Reyzer: hehe
Reyzer: I'm sure we all would like to be king
tanisboy4: oh but poor boy becoming king has good ring to it
tanisboy4: dont u think
Reyzer: sure
tanisboy4: well reyzer so your so nice chating with me i will vote for u
tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
Reyzer: Thanks for the vote :) but are you sure that you don't want to wait and see what the other candidates have to say? 
DustiTwister: uhh, what did I miss?
DustiTwister: was participating in the event =(
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Reyzer: You didn't miss much
Reyzer: tanisboy wasn't on for very long
DustiTwister: yeah, i noticed. Didn't get to talk myself. Was involved in the event.
DustiTwister: ah well..
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ShuoftheFieryHeat: wow that's interesting!
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Decozupop: why is that interesting?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: the instant change in vote
Decozupop: I clicked the wrong name thats all
ShuoftheFieryHeat: ahhh :)
Decozupop: have you never clicked in the wrong place before?
ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes of course - but sometimes I say "wrong click" if I want folks to know what was going on
Decozupop: thought thats was obivious

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Kingmaker Rank 4 01/22/2010 Log 3

DustiTwister: =D Gotta question for you?
Reyzer: sure
DustiTwister: Why do you want to be DP, and what does being DP mean to you? If I am to make a decision, I have not heard what you believe.
Reyzer: I means more to me now than it has before
Reyzer: I've always been involved in DP, ever since T2 but always in the background, helping others out
Reyzer: I got a bit disillusioned with it
DustiTwister: what do you mean dillisusioned by it?
Reyzer: It started being the same old repetitive blah blah
Reyzer: The speeches and debated were all full of the same soundbites
Reyzer: debates*
DustiTwister: so what makes you want it?
Reyzer: To an extent they still are and will always be but I've always had soft spot for being a bit different
Reyzer: It would be the culmination of a lot of time and effort put in
Reyzer: As i've said before, I'm not one for small talk hehe
Reyzer: I'm not scared of making decisions
DustiTwister: so what drives you to want to "be" the DP that makes it so much more important this time than anytime in the past? I still do not understand your position.
Reyzer: So I can ban anyone who crumbles my cages
Reyzer: ;P
DustiTwister: =P
Reyzer: It's a DP round and no less important than any others, past or present
DustiTwister: cute answer =S am still unsure. Cuz I would love to have the position myself. =S but I will not deadlock
Reyzer: Deadlock is not an option
DustiTwister: well I won't vote for myself unless its preventing one....I am taking into consideration how you want it as well.
DustiTwister: so what it boils down to is, Who Shu votes for is who I vote for
Reyzer: Perfectly acceptable to vote for yourself to break a deadlock
DustiTwister: indeed.
Reyzer: But yes, Shu and Talos still need to vote
DustiTwister: voting for myself has only been done for that reason Only, in any DP round ...which has happend maybe twice in 3 tellings.
Reyzer: Gah Sunday passes are getting harder to read hehe
Reyzer: So, do you think DP is different now that is different from previous tales?
Reyzer: ugh that doesn't make much sense
Reyzer: Do you think it's different now that it's not a test
DustiTwister: I think there are more people who persue it that are sincere about it. The voting in terms of Egypt still seems to be for the "popularity" and not the answers or the reputation.
Reyzer: yep, and lack of decent competition
DustiTwister: Realistically, That is how I see it.
Reyzer: I'm off for tonight, cya later
DustiTwister: okay. See ya soon.
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Reyzer: Sorry guys and gals but to avoid a deadlock I'm going to vote for myself
Reyzer voted for himself as Demi-Pharaoh.
ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh.
Voting was as follows: ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer. tanisboy4 voted for Reyzer. Decozupop voted for DustiTwister. Reyzer voted for Reyzer. 
Reyzer received 3 votes. 
Reyzer is elevated to the next election.
ShuoftheFieryHeat: good round Gratz to All!

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