Demipharaoh Debates/2012 01 20

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Session 1

Hirokache: **********

Hirokache: Hello everyone! Before we start, I'll quickly go over how we are running this.

Hirokache: The questions submitted so far were given over to the candidates to allow them time to formulate a response. This was necessary because, due to time differences, we will have two separate debates ... and allowing only one group time did not seem terribly fair.

Hirokache: I'll post a question ... each candidate will respond, and then will all a couple of minutes for follow-up questions, before moving on to the next question.

TheMazeEcho: A note to the candidates: please give me some time between postings to translate for dedenav, as well as the other way around.

dedenav: hello hello

kuupid: Hello

Casino: when were these questions submitted and can we see them so we don't duplicate them?

dedenav: yep , it's hard for me to explain in english, so i use a mazetranlator

Hirokache: They were submitted over the past few days in response to promptings over PBS ;p You will see them shortly, but if you have other questions, feel free to /chat me with them (duplications are fine, I can combine them).

TheMazeEcho: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Hirokache/dp_questions

Hirokache: *********

Hirokache: Question 1: How would you handle it, as DP, if you were involved in an interpersonal conflict with another player?

kuupid: This is a good question. I would have to get an interpeture to help me understand what if being said, and to translate my response.

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I usually avoid entering conflicts with other players. It has happened in past tales that some player was upset with me, and tried to grief me. I simply ignored him and he tired of the game. We should keep in mind that this is a game, we should have fun and play together, not against each other. But if the other player wouldn't stop the conflict, I'd ask another DP to settle the matter.

Lazybum: Conlfict is a natural part of this game and while it is nice to avoid it I belive it a neccacary part in which can strenghen relationships. I would see this conflict as a problem for both of us and try to work out a mutual solution that would benifet us both or at least not hurt each other.

Casino: Question for dedenav Your a DP dede, why would you ignore the 'griefing' number one and secondly if you allowed another DP to handle it, how is that executing your office of DP for which you were elected?

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: Casino, as long as the conflict with the player stays within the game rules, I prefer to have another DP intervene, so as not to be accused of being biased. But if that player starts being really insulting, I might consider a ban. If the griefing goes over the game rules, I'll ask GMs to remove the griefing buildings.

Casino: Question to Laztbum: What if the party involved refused to compromise what would be your next resolution and approach?

Lazybum: The next resolution would be to see if this conflict is inflicting damage upon more than just me. If it is then i might consider a ban.

Lazybum: To Dedenav: il est très fréquent de voir une personne d'éviter ou de nier l'existence d'un conflit. Malheureusement, dans ce cas, le conflit perdure souvent dans le fond lors de l'interaction entre les participants et crée le potentiel pour de nouvelles tensions et de conflits encore plus

TheMazeEcho: Lazybum, I'm translating everything said here to dedenav, don't worry :)

oDiS: In english "it is very common for a person to avoid or deny the existence of a conflict. Unfortunately, in this case, the conflict often lingers in the background during the interaction between participants and creates the potential for further tension and conflict even more"

Trillian: question for kuupid, why would you need a translator per se?

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: to Lazybum: As I said previously, I'd prefer have another DP settle the matter, to have an unbiased opinion.

kuupid: because I only speak English and I would like to know what is being said to me and I would like them to understand what I am saying :). It's only fair :)

TheMazeEcho: kuupid, nobody mentioned an intercultural conflict, but a conflict between you and another player (could be an english-speaking player).

Trillian: question to kuupid but it asks what would you do in a personal conflict, nothing about the nationality of the indiviual who you are in conflict with, so I suppose what am asking is what is your answer to the original question , I think :)

kuupid: true, and I would also handle the problem to the best of my abiilty. withouth having to ban. But try and solve it in a propective manner and become friends after.

kuupid: If Egypt would work as a team, there shouldn't be a lot of conflict :)

kuupid: But unfortunately they don't always

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 2: Have you played ATITD under other names in this tale or past ones, and if so, what were the names you played under?

kuupid: only my mules who most know is Crashley, last tale when my grandson quit playing I used him which was Galiath

kuupid: and I created 2 accounts to help with the monuments last tale, but I can't remember their character names

Lazybum: I have been playing since tale 2 as Lazybum, yes i have had other accounts- but they were soley for events like in tale 4 I was Mathius .

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I started playing in T2 under this name, and have used it ever since. I have also sometimes logged my spouse, but anyone can see who she/he is by checking my info.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 3: If you were not in the election and forced to vote , which candidate would you vote for?

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I would vote for lazybum, because I have known him since T3, we've been in several common guilds.

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: and since the voting ssytem allows for multiple votes, i'll also vote for kuupid, for the same reasons.

kuupid: First of all I hope no one is forced to vote, and we have some strong canidates here for the first DP round. I would have to vote for the one who I thought would be fair, and honest to everyone. I don't know much about dedenav but would like to, and I would have to vote for Philadelphia

Lazybum: The one holding the gun to my head? - Really, I would vote evenly for Kuupid dedenav and odis. kuupid is such a nice person who trys to help everyone out and is always open to new friends. dedenav while we do have a language barrier, has always been my neighbor and helped me when i needed it and brought me competition which i thrive for, then odis because he has helped so much of egypt with his coordination and guidance of mapping out all the cooking ingredients.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 4: I have heard that in other tales DPs elected at the beginning of the tale leave before the game end. This leaves a vacumn at the end game when they are needed the most. What is your (each DP candidate) committment to the game and how will you manage to last the entire tale.

kuupid: I usually last the entire game, and do like helping with monuments. There was a period, while fighting cancer I didn't play as much. But I did check in from time to time. I am in remission and plan to stay that way :). I will be here for all of this tale, and was here for most of last tale up to the end.

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: As I said earlier, I have started playing in T2, and have never left the game. The only times I wasn't in gazme was between Tales, when the server was down. I think I am committed to stay until the end, don't worry. And I manage because I have a very nice bunch of friends, we are having too much fun in game to want to leave it.

Lazybum: i usually leave mid tale for a break of a couple months but come back before endgame approaches. Due to how quick the past tale has been and how well we are advancing in this tale I feel the break is not needed.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 5: If you had the power to change one aspect of this game, what would it be, and why?

kuupid: to be honest, I don't think I would change anything. I like the way it is now. Unless we can put Teppy in the vigil bonfire :)

Lazybum: I do have the power to change aspects of the game by making laws and by building monuments to add new tests while taking away old ones, exept for in t4? where we favored someone else and got new skills instead.

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I'd create a flax-growing machine.

Lazybum: I am a flax growing machine RAWR!!!!!!!

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: sets a trap to capture Lazybum.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 6: In past tales, have you had a need for a DP to settle a dispute, if so, what was the dispute, outcome, and would you do anything differently if you were the DP in the situation?

kuupid: I can't say that I have ever asked a DP for help settling a dispute.

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: No, I have always been able to settle my problems directly. One of my previous spouses was a DP (Kaayru) and I never had him to intervene either.

Lazybum: In tale 2 one of my primary guilds, "Gardians of Re", was captured and torn down by an elders spouse... luckly that guild had 2 or 3 dp's in it and banned him. I would not do anything diffrently as that was a clear intent to grief a group of 45+ people

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 7: Can you list your resume? IE, what are your qualifications for being DP?

kuupid: I was a Resturant manager for 15 years, also worked in a prison and a facotry. I had my own daycare from 2004 to 2007. So I have lot's of public relations. I feel that I am level headed, fair and unbiased.

Lazybum: I enjoy passing tests and seek oracles this tale, have overseen pyramid construction, I love to drink and have many peopel over to drink, and aw we all know wine and beer makes for a good day in egypt. in RL I have been in managment positions for the past 14 years .

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: In game, I am well known among the french community, as well as with other people, I am oline daily, or close enough, I have a good knowledge of the game. In RL, I am managing a big team in a factory. I also stay calm, both in RL and in game, and prefer leading by exemple.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 8: What one thing would you bring back from previous tales and why?

Hirokache: (by the way, feel free to submit follow-up questions still, I'll get to them, but trying to keep things moving at the same time :) )

Lazybum: Yokir tables!!!!!!!! i want a couple in my bar.

kuupid: yes Yokir tables, and other conflict games that we can play without having to go to a conflict shrine

Lazybum: or at least the ability to go to a conflict shrine at any time to go play them.... instead of waiting for events and have to play what "Da Man" wants you to play at that given day

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: Nothing, I like the fact that each Tale is a bit different from the previous ones, it's a new challenge each time.

Lazybum: dedenav is a conflict hater!!!!!!!

dedenav: he he he :)

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 9: A griefer from previous tales has returned, he has already built a sucession of woodplanes around compounds in Seven Lakes, GMs cannot remove them, he is atm a trial account, suggest measures for dealing with him and his inconiventient mess.

kuupid: First of all I would give hiim a hug, kill hiim with kindness and ask him politely to remove what he has done. If he didn't put him in jail

kuupid: if he continued, I would have to ban him after the jail time

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I was there this morning, and helped sana and HULK get their stones back. This player is a known griefer, stated his intent in both Regional and L2PBS, so I don't think I'd have discussed too long before banning him.

Lazybum: write a code of conduct law that stats that "griefer" shall be removed from game and all items build by said griefer shal l be destroyed" - a code of conduct law usually goes into affect quicker than a regular law and it will solve the problems of both the griefer and the woodplanes at the same time.

kuupid: In hte past there have been codes of conducts like that and still nothing was done for a griefer

Lazybum: there have been many coc's that have passed in the previous tales that have banned said person. but if the above did not work i would probably use a ban even though it will not solve the problem entirely as dpa is seeming to take too long to come into affect

Morrigan: ok how about a less deliberate griefer - for example a UK child of the "chav" class who is simply running around annoying everyone in the region by his habitual swearing and by begging for stuff?

kuupid: you can ask them politely to stop, and then try and mentor him, he just might need a little push to the right direction.

TheMazeEcho: speaking as a GM, if a player is swearing and insulting in public chats (regional or mics) we can jail him to let him cool his heels.

Lazybum: usually people that beg for stuff are new players that want to advance quickly and - swearing does not bother me much but it does try to bother other people- Me i would give him the tools to get the job done himself and if he needed help doing it ex. quarying. i would help him.

kuupid: I have actually come across this in past tales, if you all remember Fee

oDiS: oh god, not fee *shudders*

kuupid: and I mentor'd him and he did eventually turn around for the most part, but did quit his swearing

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I passed mentor in several tales, so I know well how to handle those players. We need to teach them how to be self-sufficient, and to have fun in game.

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: Question 10: When you, as DP, go to stick your foot in the proper location ... sandals or barefoot?

kuupid: if it's in the mud, barefoot of course :)

Lazybum: sandals. Because they pick up sand moreso than being barefoot and i want it to feel like sandpaper

kuupid: you don't like the feel of the squishiness between the toes?

TheMazeEcho: (sorry for the delay, the question is a bit untranslatable into french...)

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: barefoot.

Lazybum: from my interpritation of the question kuupid. the proper place is the rear of someone else while banning them. so No i dont like feeling the squishiness between the toes

Casino: Question to All candidates: Will You use your Ban Powers if Necessary? and Lazybum in t2 when the player was banned for the destruction of a guild, the DP's in that guild were biased, as they were in that guild, should they have been stripped of their DP authority for doing so?

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: Yes, I will use my ban powers if necessary.

kuupid: If Necessary I would.

dedenav: like red buton

Lazybum: I would not be afraid to use my powers no. and in T2 the dp's were not being biased as they wrote a law up aswell and when it recieved x amount of votes , i forgot the number, then they banned him, it was not like oh you mess with us ill mess you up situation, it was handled very well in my opinion and no i do not thinkg thier DP power should have been stripped.

Casino: ty all for your responses :)

Hirokache: ******

Hirokache: In the past, some people failed to ever return a Star Lab to the University, but instead used them for other purposes. What, if any action, would you take to deal with this issue?

kuupid: star labs should be returned. You can ask them to return them politely when they are done with them. And maybe a code of conduct to should be written to enforce that. But I have never seen it inforced

Lazybum: In past tales i have seen people with 3-4 starlabs sitting in thier yard. I msg them and ask when they are showing off the stars to find out thier true intent of accually using them as they should or just using them as lawn decorations then i would encourage a nice showing at a designated place where wine and lots of people show up to vote for thier favorite stars on each.

Lazybum: I think egypt needs more lawn gnomes

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: I don't think it's part of a DP role to handle that, but as the other candidates say, everyone should explain to these players that holding up on Star Labs does prevent the game from advancing. Pyromaniacs need those labs, and the stars they produce, to beautify all players' lives.

Morrigan: But if he sees no wrong in his swearing, for example?

Iset: strutter prefers plastic pink ibis

Hirokache: The question from Morrigan was a follow up to the "swearing griefer" discussion from earlier

Lazybum: there is always /squelch

TheMazeEcho: the /squelch doesn't work in Regional or Main.

kuupid: I think a good talking to and to let him know that others don't like it, if that doesn't work then use the squelch

Bryce: Inquiring minds want to know when the swimsuit competition will be in the DP beauty pagent, i mean debate.

kuupid: wears a string bikini

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: wears a string monokini

Lazybum: ./me gets out his weezle wear

Hirokache: All of the submitted questions have been asked. If the DP candidates would like to make any 'closing statement', please feel free to do so. After that, we'll call the 'official' debate complete, and any further discussion / debate can be done at will in PBS :)

Lazybum: Kuupid what is your standpoint on clinker dropping in peoples yards

kuupid: I would like to say that this is a strong group running for DP. And that the people need to vote for who they think would do the best job as a DP :)

kuupid: Don't drop clinker in peoples yards, unless it's your own

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: Vote for me, I'll give you a beer of my own RL brewing ;)

Casino: omw dede ;)

kuupid: oooh, now for the bribes of votes lol

dedenav: :)

Koinif: Now, there's some ethics for ya'

Casino: great job candidates and to Hiro :)

Casino: now get back to work!

Lazybum: Thank you all for listening to us debate and partaking in the quesions... they were all very good and when/if i win this election i shall throw a party at my place with lotsa wine and hookah smoking

kuupid: I don't want bribes ;). But I will continue to hug everyone even if not elected :)

Lazybum: if i lose ill still have a party just at the winners place

kuupid: everyone needs a hug daily

Nirivia: uhh, i like hugs :)

TheMazeEcho: dedenav: thank you all, and good luck to all candidates.

kuupid: Now I shall go and do my burn baby burn thing :)

dedenav: so, thx a lot maze for your job :)

Morrigan: another vigil?

kuupid: nope making ash ;)

kuupid: I was told I am a pyromanic, so just going to prove it lol

Morrigan: hahaha

kuupid: dedenav, let's get together and get to know each other someday :)

Hirokache: Thanks to all the candidates for participating, the citizens who submitted your questions, and to TheMazeEcho for his translation services! Part 2 will be tonight at 7PM EST (should be listed on your calendar now). Until then, Bazaar is turned back over for your trading needs!

dedenav: thx hiro for the debat :)

kuupid: tyvm for holding this debate :)