Demipharaoh Debates/2012 06 14

Election 6: Fez, Linisha, Pascalito, & Peabody - June 2012

Dreasimy: Welcome to the 1 and only Debate in the 6th Election for Demi-Pharaoh of the 6th Tale of ATITD! For the duration of the debate normal Worship Station posts will be halted (you can use L2PBS for this purpose during this period) and only debate-appropriate posts will be let through. Our candidates for this debate are Fez, Linisha, Pascalito, and Peabody!

Dreasimy: First question!

For those who have never had the opportunity to interact with you before can you share a little about yourself, what you enjoy about ATITD as well as how long you've been playing?

Pascalito: Hello dear fellow Egyptians:) I started playing in Tale 3 and totally loved the unique setup. Almost every system got a bit of my attention at first, but now genetics is definitely my thing, especially after meeting (and getting RL married to) Ariella, whom I knew as Egypt's "flower girl". Helping fellow players brings me the biggest joy. I have more fun helping someone else pass a Test than passing one myself even.

Pascalito: My real life background: born in 1959, Belgian living in US, Dutch and French are native and second language, civil engineer (is like a Master in Applied Sciences). And you might be able to find a picture of me on my Tale 3 user page (with a beard that is way too long).

Peabody: I have been playing ATITD since the middle of Tale2 and only missed Tale4. I was Amarna on Bastet. I love tests and do as many as I can. I am a solo player. I find the game very addictive and plan to make Oracle for the first time this Tale.

Linisha: For those that don't know me , I'm a single stay at home disabled mom with two kids . What I enjoy most about Atitd is the people. I love getting to know new people and just the kindness that so many have shown. Now as for how long i've been playing I've only been in this tale for about 4 months now, I did play in an older tale but unfortunatly i wasn't in it long before rl came crashing down.

Fez: Who am I??? not really found that out yet, still searching, but currently in RL I am a freelance Civil Engineer/Site Manager, have been for the past 11 years managing sub contractors, suppliers and company staff. I love my job and often come up with conflicts on site be it two people working in the same area or contractors wanting to build something differently to the drawings. I am currently taking a break from work for a few months after a long contract so am in game 10+ hrs most days.

Fez: I started playing Tale in T3 60 days before T4 beta opened. I learning very quickly the basics and a more from the great mentoring of Obol and Shemei, pushing me to fly up the levels reaching level 54 in those 60 days. Since then in T4 I started in Meroe building an industrial camp, with a laggy breezeaway CP, confilct with neigbouring guild Oasis ( due to both camps expanding beyong the land we had) I sorted the situation and got support from other 12months subs to move camp to an open spot in another region where we continued to grow. Unfortunate misscomunication ment that camp was torn down by an elder although I was still about and I gave up with the tale. T5 I was in Taygete where I was an elder in all regional public guild, I ran the Aqua, Research, public mines and helped on public works. I got the initial push on flax xbreeding that tale getting a few good strains which was expertly taken over by Ariella to push it further. T6 started quickly for me and I had to rush to expand my camp quickly as I soon went on holiday for 10 weeks around the world, but coming back expanded back to my usual industrial complex.

Fez: ATITD is such a different game to anything else out there, no physical battles and no killing, and the community spirit of almost all the players is so refreshing. Chatting to other players is a pleasure and working together to complete goals makes me come back each day.

If you win this election you will pass the test of the Demi-Pharaoh and be our 6th DP of this tale. There are a variety of points of view on what the role of DP should and shouldn't be, what is yours?

Peabody: A DP should be a support to the other players as well as a referee for settling conflict. It is a leadership position and DP's should be leaders. I think that I am a well-organized and capable person and that I can fill this role.

Linisha: The role of Dp is to help moderate conflicts when needed, make sure the player passed rules are followed, and to help keept he game enjoyable for every one to play. A dp has to be able to be able to see both sides of a conflict so that they can find a reasonable solution that will please the parties in it. I have had years of practice at handling confilicts that have arised, I know how to listen to people, and I'm very good at seeing any issue from both sides.

Fez: I DPs role is to help adjudicate situations that can not be resolved by themselves, most players are able to sort out their differences without a DP, even if elders in their guilds help out the last resort will be to call in a DP to moderate the situation. Talking to each side can almost always resolve any probem. I am a calm person, helpful and completely stress free, never raise my voice( well don't even shout in RL), so can often talk my way through any problem.

Pascalito: A DP should mainly be a willing listening ear, giving feedback to the parties in conflict, mainly by holding up a "mirror" and guiding them to a solution for the problem. Imposing rules or threatening with bans is a nono to me, Bans are an absolute last resort, which sadly (as we saw this tale) are very occasionally necessary. The law about a ballot to ban certainly made things easier on all DPs!

Pascalito: And do not get me wrong, I am not sad about the "occasionally" ;-)

Dreasimy: Thanks candidates! Next up:

Have you been involved in resolving conflicts in ATITD and/or real life? Can you give any specific examples of how you have helped mediate a situation between two parties who could not see eye to eye?

Linisha: I have often times had to meditate conflicts in rl. Unfortunatly any one that has kids knows that occasionally kids fight. I have also worked at wendy's in the past, wich if you've ever worked counter at fast food you know that that can put you in the situation of having to deal with upset customers when thier order is not right. I also have a bi-polar sister who unfortuanly can go off in the blink of an eye and have often times over the years had to help settle conflicts because of her. One of the first things i ever do to mediate a situation is to listen to both sides, if you can't see the issue from both sides to understand where both people are comming from then your not going to be able to help.

Pascalito: Yes, as a former DP in T3, I have had some nuts to crack. One I remember vivdly was about... raeli ovens (what a surprise). Someone had built an oven to near a camp in the perspective of the camp owner. Camp owner had no oven up yet elsewhere, and we managed to find an oven trade where both parties gained more new colors than they could even believe - all happy! Pascalito: Correction: camp owner HAD an oven up... of course

Peabody: I have certainly been involved and/or witnessed conflicts in ATITD. I have always done my best to ease the situation usually successfully. In RL I get lots of practice mediating problems between my two young grandsons. It isn't as dissimilar as it probably should be :)

Fez: The main conflict I have had was in T4, I had a large camp in a quiet area, but close to the CS, the guild Oasis moved in close by and started expanding quickly as they were a mentoring guild, incroaching on my area and starting to lag out the whole area, building CPs far too big for their needs, to gain land space. My spouse at the time Zaniac was getting irate with them and both parties started flaxbeds/apiaries to mark territory, it was getting silly so I managed the situation and calmed it down, and could see we were going to have problems all tale so got the idea to move camp to another region. We got 5 kind people to use their 12 month subs to move us away to resolve any further problems.

How would you handle it, as DP, if you were involved in an interpersonal conflict with another player?

Peabody: Well I am involved from time to time and admitting I was wrong usually works, but if I had a serious dipute, I would ask another DP to help mediate.

Pascalito: I would refuse to act as DP in such a conflict and leave it entirely to other DPs, and insist they be impartial (Ariella would be excluded as a mediator too).

Linisha: If i was personally involved in a conflict after becoming dp I would try to work the sittiuation out my self but if for what ever reason I could not get it worked out or the other party wanted to call in another dp then i would gladly step back and let another dp in to see if they couldn't help resolve the issue.

Fez: I always talk through stuff first, try to mediate my own problems and often get to a resolution that way, I would never use my own DP powers to sort out my own situation, I don't think a disagreement would last long if I was on one side as I can normally resolve something quickly, items/buildings in game can be rebuilt and made quick enough and there is no point trying to battle someone for it.

How would you handle it if a close personal friend or guildmate made a complaint, or had a complaint made against, seeking your intervention as DP and possibly a ban?

Linisha: If a friend or guild mate came to me with a problem then I would listen and try to help remaining totaly impratial even if that would mean telling my friend or guild mate that they were in the wrong. how ever if the situation was getting to the point i could not handle it, needed a ban , or the other party who wasn't a friend wanted a diffrent dp to step in then i would be more than happy to step back, and before ever consedering a ban I would seek fellow dps to help with the sitiation any way .

Peabody: I believe that the DPs should always consult with each other when there is a serious problem so I would ask for support from the others as soon as the matter was brought to my attention. The advantage to being number 6 is that there are other DPs already. The first DP has a particularly hard job.

Fez: In that situation I would still act as a mediator, and yes I would tell my friend he is wrong if he is and sort out the situation. I can be unbiased whenit calls for it, if the other party wanted a different DP for the mediation then I would step aside and let a diff DP take control.

Fez: If the friend needed to be banned for an act they did with intent then so be it I would ban them

Pascalito: If it is an obvious "friend", just like for myself I would transfer the issue to a colleague DP. Just he THOUGHT of other players that favoritism was in play (even if it is not) would cast a bad shadow on the role of DP. DP is a position of trust, and all should keep believing in the neutrality of a DP. We should act as a team of DPs and this is where that comes in handy.

Dreasimy: Follow up to previous question:

singh: If the potential griefer is a friend of ALL DP's, how can it be ensured that there is a fair trial?

Fez: Most DPs voted I would hope can act in the best interst of the game so if a friend has done a banning act then so be it they will ban a friend

Pascalito: That feels almost like a contradiction singh: DP are trusted, so it would be extremely weird that a griefer (hated people) is a friend of all DPs. But IF it would arise, we can act as a group and have a public discussion about the issue to poll for the opinion of all Egyptians.

Peabody: I would hope that the DP's could act in the best interest of all players even when a friend is involved But this is also a place where the AGA could be used.

Linisha: if the accused if a friend of all dps then i would hope that We have enough trust in our eleced dps to see the sistuation through fairly. I personaly would not side with someone just cause they are a friend. Every one is wrong sometimes and the diffrence between a leader and a follower is Having the courage to do whats right. And the diffrence between a true friend and a so so friend is one that Will stand up and tell you when your in the wrong. how ever if in fact the person felt they were not being trreated farily cause of all dps being the other ones friend than i say let it go to an egypte wide ballot and let all of egypte have a say.

Under what circumstances would you consider utilizing the tools created by the Anti-Griefer's Act (AGA) law? In other words, what do you consider 'griefing'? Do you feel it has been used well so far?

Linisha: now as for the Aga I can't say that I was here to see it used. But I think in its basis its a good law however I think it personal could use a little more pesific revision on what is griefing cause griefing as it stands could be just about any thing that a dp decides he wants to put somone on ballot for. Personally I see griefing as doing things on purpose just to annoy or make the game un fun for another player

Pascalito: I think it was used well to ban Geodude and co. At least he could not escape the banstick that way, cause he knew that was coming, but he logged off when a DP was near. S this law solved that problem (DP stealth mode would also have solved it). The ballot for a ban also takes the burden of a DP's shoulders to make a final decision - in Geodude and co's case, the decison was easy though. For the record: I was Geodude's very first victim in T4 but he stopped griefing me cause I did not react enough.

Peabody: As far as the AGA is concerned, it was essential at the time as there was no way to cleanup the mess the Griefers made without it. Just banning them was not enough. Also Kuupid was I think the lone DP at the time and she needed support. Griefing to me is building woodplanes, bonfires, etc. in such a way as to make it hard for other players to play. Geodude and company is usually a one-off so I don't expect we will need the AGA again but it is good to have it.

Fez: AGA is there to prevent the blatent disregard to other player and the gameplay, trying to greif or upset another play for no reason in ground to be placed on a AGA ballot, player are here to play the gam and they pay for it so the bullying is out of order and should be stopped as soon as possible. The AGA will do this and is a great tool for DPs to make everyones playing a better experience

Fez: Something that is definitly needed at the start of the tale, no something that has to be voted on every tale, Geodud comes into every tale toplay and greif, that is all he does till he gets banned, others have tried the same, but often takes too long for a resolution. Added to that should be before any DP has been elected 14 players can do the same thing together to get a player banned, with 75% votes in agreement. Great Law and hope it sticks around each tale.

Pascalito: I would define griefing as intentional upsetting other players while staying within the technical rules of play (so a GM cannot solve the problem)

If a person were submitted as a griefer under the AGA, and egypt voted AGAINST banning them, but you still felt they should be banned, would you? What if the general consensus of the rest of the DPs were that that person should not be banned, but you felt strongly that they should? Do you intend to make decisions unilaterally, or in concert with your fellow DPs?

Peabody: I can't see myself going against all the other players and DP's. I would not unilaterally ban.

Fez: I would raise another discussion with the DPs, putting my point of veiw across, if they are still in disagreement with me then so be it I would let the situation go . It will soon become apparent if the player was continuing to cause greif and another ballot can be cast.

Pascalito: I would NEVER make a unilateral decision about ANY ban. Even if I were the only DP left, I'd consult the player base. If the ballot says "nay" to a ban, that is final for that point in time. Additional facts could mean a new ballot of course.

Linisha: if all of egypt says let the person stay than its not my place to ban them, if all of the dps say let him stay but i felt they still needed banned then i would probably make my case to the fellow dps or offer it up for a egypt wide ballot. I'm not god i'm not perfect, every one can make mistakes but I also will say that I have enough faith in my abilities to stand behind my actions and what i say. So if in the end I couldnt get people to see my point I would let them keep the person but also if the person had been cleared by dp's and egypte and then kept doing the same thing i'm afraid regardless of what other dp's felt I would have to ban if it was for the better ment of egypt. I belive firmly in giving second chances but I also relize that some people gaven a second chance still won't change

Anonymous: In past rounds (Linisha) gave the impression that scripted or pre-prepared answers were <less than genuine> and <somehow lacking> in <authencity of intention>. From L2PBS logs "2012-04-17 16:30:55 Linisha: gives them more time to think out answers so they can plan how to say it so as not to offend any one instead of being honest and answering on spur of moment" Question: are you using any prepared answers? are you manually typing them as they come in without cut n paste? if you prepared answers in advanced how <authentic> do you think your response are? Dreasimy: Id like the other candidates to chime in on whether or not they think pre prepared answers are somehow less honest than on the fly answers :)

Linisha: lol i have no prepared answers every one your getting is straight from the heart and strraight typeing as i get them here. I am not pre edititing my self henc e the miss types and bad spelling lol but i'm totally open and honest and yes these are all being typed just as they come up thank god i'm a simi fast typer

Pascalito: I'll be honest about it: my first 2 lines of this debate were prepared and copy/pasted. The rest was on the fly (must be for all of us), since we did not know the questions coming.

Fez: prepared answers normally show you have thought about the question and maybe give an answer that you think others want to hear, typing an answer to the question as it is asked normally shows your thought and not that your audience wants to hear, apart from the opening question f who you are and how long have you played etc the rest of the answers I beleive should be typed at the time of asking

Linisha: and if your questioning me on weather its beter to type on the fly or have prepared answers I say type on the fly you'll be more honest, less time to think about how to lie or phrase to get people on your side

Peabody: I am typing my answers as we go but I did know in advance what the most likely questions would be so I had time to think about my answers. I don't think that prepared answers are necessarily less honest and if I was poor typist or nervous, I would think that was a perfectly valid way to participate.

Dreasimy: Just FYI in every debate I ask candidates to review past debate questions because many of them are going to be repeated every...single... debate and they should. Not everyone follows my advice to preprepare some answers but for logistical reasons (like not having 3 hour debates), the mod certainly doesnt think well thought out answers are in anyway more apt to be dishonest answers :D

Dreasimy: Ok Ive been informed people are trying to chat me but I have too many chats open Ill fix that right now gimme 2 minutes here and try again

Does anyone have access to login to your account? (ie, would any person other than yourself ever have access to your ban powers)? Note: spouselog does not allow access to ban powers.

Linisha: Nope my account is strictly mine my kids don't even have the passwords or access to my account.

Fez: Another player did have access to my account but my password has been changed since I got into the last round of DP

Peabody: No one has access to my account. I do not have a spouse or belong to a large Guild and I am the only one who knows my password.

Pascalito: Only my RL spouse Ariella can access my account, but she is a DP, so should not be an issue at all. Noone else can though.

DPs notoriously catch DP disease after becoming DP, disappearing for long periods at a time... it's very mysterious, what do you think causes this condition? Do you feel you are immune? How so?

Linisha: I think a lot of times its either caused by burn out cause they run outta things to do, or rl interfears. Am i immune to burn out yeah i have adhd so burn out ain't an issue for me. as for Rl well I would hope nothing else major is going to cause me to ever have to leave, but I can't swear to it no one can control everything rl. What i can say though if for what ever rl forced me out I would get back soon as i can.

Peabody: Sometimes it is RL and sometimes just boredom. I don't think you should run for DP if you aren't committed to playing out the game though. Working on making Oracle should keep me around to the end barring some RL calamity.

Fez: I enjoy the game and have good friends that play so will always log in to play if they are still about, in every game things go quiet, you start working more often, more hours to tired to log in, or the game gets stale for you, Teppy needs to keep up with the coding to keep people playing longer. I currently don't work, to many things ingame to still do to slow down so can't see myself not logigng in for the foreseable future.

Fez: Even when I do start work again I expect to log in most nights and weekends to continue playing

Pascalito: Noone is immune, it just depends on real life situations or game burn out, which happens to many of us, not just DPs. I do not think there is a relationship between DP and quitting/stop playing. As far as I am concerned, if real life allows I'll keep going, since we get into the tale part Ariella and me like most: heavy genetics activity once mutagenics is available (like making x26 giant lily last tale, such things take quite a while). We like tale ends better than starts, and we know we are an exception:)

Bryce: My question would be: if you had to ban someone, who would it be and why?

Pascalito: Easy: Geodude is the archetype or a ban, he BEGS for it and probably even enjoys it as "mission accomplished, game won for me, they got mad enough again".

Pascalito: He'd probably enjoy seeing me mention him right now if he reads the logs...

Peabody: I would only ban someone for behavior that ruined the game for other players. Geodude falls in this category but I can't think of anyone else at the moment.

Fez: Probably ban my mule as she is a slacker, can't think of any current player that deserves a ban atm. I have a few niggles with some players, but nothing I would even call greifing. Other players that have deserved bans have already had them cast upon themselves

Linisha: Thats a slightly toughter question for me. I haven't meet any one that nessicarly needs banned. I have met a few that I feel could be a little more consederate or a little less rude. but I haven't met any one yet that has done something that they need banned for. unfortuantly i wasn't around when geodude was so I couldn't even say for sure on that one.

Pascalito: Make that 'fortunately' Linisha ;-)

Peabody: lol

Fez: I have heard his name and seen his creations, but never met him

Jaylenaeybarre: how hard did you all pursue this test in round 1 & 2, or were you just 'lucky' to be nominated? or maybe you were in a round with friends to vote for you, no matter what?

Linisha: In every round I have talked and put out my reasons why I feel I could do this job. In my first group however no one talked till i voted for my self and even then no one else voted. In my second round I was more fortunat in that there was four of us running and none of us running voted it was one of the other people in the round that voted me through. and no that person wasn't someone I knew .

Peabody: I announced that I was serious about running for DP in my first group and sisnce everyone else seemed to be there only for the principles, I was advanced. The second group was all experienced players and we agreed to try and find a consensus. I was advanced from that one too.

Pascalito: My round 1 was (sadly) a walkover with just 1 other player speaking up, but got his support. I have made it to round 2 in every DP election so far, with unanimous votes. This time I got unanimous votes in round 2, even from the other player in there who would like to be DP eventually. I go on to next round when other palyers want me to, never cause I insist "I would be the best choice". Just like in Egypt wide vote, it should be an honest vote for someone you can trust, not a popularity contest.

Fez: Every round I let them know I am wanting to go for DP, my first round I received 6/7 votes for myself and then made the last vote on myself to get 7/7, one player changed due the fact I voted for myself which was only to get a 7/7 :), 2nd round I did the same and made clear I wanted to run, and had the first vote go against me but got 3/5 at the end of the round, I beleive in not voting for yourself, but let others decide on your outcome. If there is a tied vote I would vote for the better person in the round, and that is normally another player in the round and not myself. I don't let a vote go tied to stop a player going through

Anonymous: You make your DP decisions based on certain moral values. How do you ensure those values are shared and agreed to by all you judge over (this includes your definition of griefing)?

Linisha: as in any conflict it ain't about making people share your opionion. its about being able to for one see both sides of the picture and try to find a compramise in the middle. however the biggest help to that is not only being able to see both sides of the problem but to also be able to explain it to both parties so that if they can't see where the other person is comming from before you can help them to see. Your personal moral values should not come into play as a dp. its not about what you want its about whats best for the people involved in the conflice and for Egypt

Peabody: ATITD is a game. It is meant for entertainment. I have to believe that we all want to be able to play the game without hassle. If that is a "moral value" I think we should all share it.

Fez: I would discuss my feelings and ideas with both parties and make sure they arein agreement with what I propose, if there is a stubourn player that just wants to disagree and not come to a mutual understanding however hard I try and change the goalposts then I would ask anothe DP to review the situation and help out. maybe that other DP has an idea to help resolve the situation

Pascalito: First of all by being extremely critical to myself on what my opinion is. If in doubt I consult other DPs and even good friends (easy one for me is wy wife of course, just as she does to me when in doubt). Everyone is a DP in his heart, so the opinion of all others is highly valued. After all what we call moral values are and have been set by what a majority of people thinks is right.

Pascalito: Holding up a mirror to an offending player can make them change their mind. This should be done in a subtle way, and not be a transparant opposite situation of course.

Pascalito: Try to make players be their own judge and propose a solution, then they can find peace with it later (and not typically quit he game).

What do you think of those pursuing the Leadership discipline who auction to buy Mentor Shrines on Bazaar?

Peabody: I can understand their frustration. I think the Mentor test is crap the way it is set up. I wouldn't do it myself however.

Linisha: Personally I can in a way see the point if we have few new players,, but lately i've seen a lot of new players and I don't think you should be buying shrines just to pass a test if you want the shrines go out and earn them actually be a mentor. but hay each to thier own and if people wanna sell thier shrines thats thier buisness theres no laws against it and it ain't my place to judge them on it.

Fez: that is a poor way to play the game, not illegal, but being a mentor to help a player is the way to get them, I have helped out a few players to get started who have not know about the shrines, but other players offer then bricks and boards and other materials for their shrines, and then leave them out to dry when they seek help, one reason so many player don't even get past the first month

Pascalito: I certainly do not like that as it goes against the spirit of that Test. I personally have 0 shrines currently, even though I mentored quite some players. And lessons about genetics come a little late in the gameplay I guess, by that time the shrine has been long built. Anyway: I love mentoring, I do not care about shrines, the results from mentoring on a player are a MUCH better reward to me.

Pascalito: Victims of bought shrines get a very bad view on the game and are likely to quit a game where "gaming" seems to be allowed and common. We seriously can miss any more quits!

Have you played ATITD under other names in this tale or past ones, and if so, what were the names you played under?

Fez: Nope I have been Fez or a derivative of Fez in every game since I was 11, and no intention to change it :)

Linisha: I haven't played under any other names this tale, as for last tale i played I think it was the same name lol can't rember been to long ago but heck Philly rembered me so must have been same name lol

Pascalito: I always played as Pascalito, since day 1. I have had a couple of mules in past tales: Pascalita and KingSolomon. This tale Ariella and me together use CherryBlossom as a mule.

Peabody: I have always been Peabody except for Bastet when I played under the name Amarna. I soon learned my mistake as I could never make paint right. (Paint recipes go with the name.)

Under what types of circumstances do you believe DP’s should use permanent bans? If you are versed in ATITD lore, feel free to give an example from a previous tale where you agreed or disagreed with a ban, if you can’t give examples from the past feel free to just discuss the merits of certain situations (hypothetical or otherwise) over others.

Fez: Using explosives on purpose, camps travel facilities etc, greifing with intent to bully and disrupt someones game, all reasons for the ban stick

Peabody: You have to be really careful with bans. In Tale5 some players were banned wrongly and even though they were reinstated they lost everything. A permanent ban is a very important decision and not to be taken lightly.

Fez: certain Geodude comes to mind for everyone and the travel facility destructions in various tales

Linisha: Okey personally I think banning should only ever be used as a very very last resort. A situation that might call for a ban would be say someone doing things just to tick somone else off even after dp's have intervened and they said they would stop. or say somone that doesn't know the rules of the game gets explaned to them but then that person keeps doing every thing they can to break them rules even after being talked to by several dps

Pascalito: The only necessary bans I have witnessed are the ones for Geodude and friends/alts. I once had a player threatened with a ban chat me (I was not a DP in that tale), explaining the situation. From what she said, only the other side of the story was considered, and indeed her story for her actions made total sense. I had often interacted with her in trades and mentored her in some domains and she seemed a very nice person. A day after her chat she was banned, so I sadly did not even have the chance to talk to a DP about the situation, which I planned to do in a corteous way.

Dreasimy: Just FYI, I do not believe any banned person has ever been reinstated. They have as other characters tho. This is the nature of bans, even by vote they cannot be overturned

Dreasimy: Which is why DP elections are so important :D

Peabody: To clarify my remark, the players in question were allowed to come back with new characters. YOu cannot be reinstated after a ban.

Jaylenaeybarre: if you weren't in this final round, whom would you vote for and why

Fez: hate this question Jaylenaeybarre, but will answer truthfully

Pascalito: *sigh* I would vote for Fez: male presence in the DP force and experienced player (sorry girls, I still luv y'all)

Fez: I would prob go for Pascalito to start as he helps a lot of people around egypt with Ariella, vines being the main product of his work, I have not delt with Peabody and Linisha enough to know what sort of person they are unfortunatly, but know they both are nice people and have helped me in the past from time to time.

Peabody: I would vote for Fez as an experienced player I know nothing bad about. I am uncomfortable with Pascalito and his wife both being DPs and I think Linisha needs more experience in the game.

Linisha: if I wasn't in the final round the person i would have to vote for it still up for grabs I think any of us here would make a good dp but I never vote till last day so that I have time to read the full debats

Dreasimy: As we knew ahead of time, Linisha is being interrupted by some real life stuff atm, so im going to go ahead with questions for the rest of the candidates and if she can, she will catch up and if not she can answer them on the wiki later

singh: Would you like a Jail island over a Ban?

Peabody: I think that having gradations of punishment is better than only one extreme actions but I would not get rid of the permanent ban.

Fez: Certainly singh, jailing someone for an hour, day, week, fortnight and a month are perfect DP tools to be able to calm a player down, keeps them away from damaging anything before a resolution can be sorted, if a player has hinted on tearing down, blowing up something then they can be take to jail for a time that somehing can be sorted

Linisha: now As for the jail over the ban I Like the ideal of a jail but I don't think bans need to be gotten toatally rid of perhapce some Jail time might get through to some though were banning would not I personally thik they should be used in conjunction of each other

Pascalito: All depends on the "ban style" of the DP. Hasty, undeserved, bans would not occur as easily with a Jail, but... suppose Geodude was in jail and could still chat in public channels...I would feel REAL sorry for the mods there then, I bet he'd make the channels unusable. So: very hard to say pro or con, we'd have to think about all consequences if we make a jail.

What distinguishes you as a DP candidate from the rest?

Fez: I never lose my temper, always approach any situation calmly and can be unbiased to each side, also never rushing into any decision before I have made sure it is the right one. On the flip side of the DP test I want to try and get to Leadership Oracleto help get the monument up.

Pascalito: Seems like I am he only one who speaks French and Dutch (Dutch is irrelevant though). French is important due to the French game interface, quite some French players do not speak English or have sufficient understanding when it comes to delicate things in conflicts. I think that part of our population needs DP service too. Even if an English player has a conflict with a French player, this would be needed.

Peabody: I am very pragmatic and always aware that this is a game and if it isn't fun there is no reason to play it. As DP I would do my best to keep it fun. I think being DP woul dbe fun too :)

Linisha: I think of of the thing that Distinquishes me most for the other candidates is even though i'm newer to the tales I have put my self out there for all of egypt to help any way I can and have became decently well known in a short time i belive. Also the fact that I have had to deal with people with issues rl for so long makes me see the world in a diffrent way then most. I learnt a long time ago that you can't deal with every one the same. Also I'm never afraid to stand behind what I say and do If i'm wrong i'll admit it but if i'm in the right then I'm not afraid to fight for what i belive in .

Pascalito: I do not know for sure if there are other "qualities" I have and the others do not have. I stick to facts (which is a good thing for DP).

Dreasimy: Resurrecting a hypothetical Skyfeather asked during a previous debate: If, during a phoenix race, someone lit a -str incense at CSs and pinned certain racers down with bricks to prevent them from winning, would you consider this griefing, and how would you handle the situation?

Linisha: Personally I wouldn't per say conseder it greifing I would how ever conseder it rude. However even though thiers no law to prefent them from doing this if thier was a complaint about it i would have to see if i couldn't figure out why the person did this and see if something couldn't be worked out to keep it from happaning again

Peabody: Well yes. According to my past definition that is griefing. Ruining someone else's game. You have to talk to them to find out why they are doing this but I can't think of a reason that would make it OK.

Pascalito: Tactics in such tests, and also as seen in events, are part of the game I think, even though some can be irritating. We all must learn from it and make sure we eat good carry food in this specific case (also faster run with the dex btw). If someone would complain about it to me as a DP, I'd help them put tactcs in place to counter it, I bet they'd have fun next time they can outwit the competition even. I'd even offer to make good fod or give a good cooking recipe. Bend the problem into fun!

Fez: wow that is a tough one, it is in the realm of greifing, but not quite there as a banning issue, it is a great way to slow people down and gain advantage as in another question of gaming to gain, not illegal but unsportsman like actions, getting a bad reputation in the game would hinder their game as enough punishement for their actions.

Fez: well not even close to a banning issue

Dreasimy: (If you have burning or mildly itchy questions you want to ask the candidates please get them in now, wrapping up soon)

Since real life can affect how people react to things, are you willing to consider RL facts before thinking of banning? If so, how far into a person's personal life are you willing to delve to find out what might be causing their actions?

Fez: I would ask why they are acting like that are if it is out of character and let them tell you the RL if they want to, that is the greatness of the Prison Island idea, someone can cool down to apologise before a DP acts with a ban. I would not delve if they are unwilling toshare their current RL situations

Linisha: Simple fact weather we all care to admit it or not Rl does effect things. And yeah if were having a major bad rl day it can effect how we react ig. And although I know some feel this is a game rl shuoldn't come into it , if a person has been picked on all thier life rl and then someone is picking on them ig rl is going to step in an decide how they react to that. Even though this is a game for some of us it gets more personal than that. And yes I wouldn't deffinatly conseder rl before bannin and as for delving into it, I'm willing to lend a shoulder to listnen and maybe even asdk the tough questions if thats goingto help get to the route of the problem even if it means asking if things are okey rl to see if thats effecting thier ig day

Peabody: I think that sharing details of your personal life is always sensitive. I have often had very personal conversations with other players but I would never share those with others. I think the game has to be kept separate from RL and if the person is so disturbed in RL that they are ruining a game for others, then they should not be playing.

Pascalito: I will not delve at all. If a players feels I have to know about private life, they can tell me. Will this influence my view on the situation? Probably not, but I do not know what they'll tell me. Maybe I could understand their action better, but it cannot right wrongs, if wrongs were done in the first place. I could imagine reasons for complaints being made due to extreme real life stuff though.

Peabody: Having said that, I would add that if the person had "blown up" and was now sorry, there is no need for a ban.

Fez: trying to put wrongdoings right certainly puts a ban on hold as moments of madness can come on to anyone

singh: Would be DP election more interesting if 1 perosn wins and all other finalists get banned for loosing as a default?

Pascalito: Anyway, I never think of banning in the first place!

Peabody: Would definitely cut down on the number of candidates!

Pascalito: That is extreme to the max singh! Have you been reading the Hunger Games?

Linisha: lol Well although it might make it more interesting , it might also make sure only people that really really want the postiion run, and it would probably make it a lot more frustrating and keep population down more lol

Fez: if that was the case singh I would guess no one would go for the test, or there would be a DP test queue for one person to start the test at a time

Question from Annon :- I beleive that anyone that likes and orders anchovies on a pizza is beyond help and should deserve an instant ban, what are your thoughts on this??

Peabody: Ah a queue! That always works so well.

Peabody: As to the anchovy question- I agree absolutely.

Pascalito: Definitely put them on ballot for a ban ;-)

Fez: not sure any person with those tastes are walking around free, but if they are ban them and lock them away!!!! Ew

Linisha: um I can't stand anchovies but hay to each thier own if they wanna eat them on thier pizza thats thier buisness i sure ain't gotta eat it

Pascalito: After all we did it to Teppy too!

I would like each of you to wrap up now and tell Egypt what they will get in a DP by voting for you. And if you do indeed want them to vote for you, please include why you would like them to.

Peabody: Please consider voting for me as DP. I have your best game-playing interests at heart and will serve you well. I promise to bring common sense to the job and hopefully a sense of humor.

Linisha: If you Elect me as a Dp you would get a person who is level headed, use to conflict resalution, able to not only listen to both sides but to see both sides of any situation, and a person who would take the job serriously, and can empathize when rl decided to rear its ugly head. Would I like you to vote for me, very much so , but I won't ask you to it goes against my nature . Intead I'll ask you to vote for the person you think will do the job best. I want this position to help all of Egypt. I want it cause I know I can do a good jbob at it. I want it cause sometimes we need people that will stand up and fight for whats right. But its not for me to make the call its for you egypt. So get out there Have fun and rember to vote for who you think would do the job best .

Pascalito: Thanks to all for listening to us and good luck to my wonderful fellow candidates. Vote for whoever you trust deep in your heart and you have made the right choice. Whatever the outcome, I'll keep helping all of you with whatever I can. Feel free to chat me about genetics or your wishes for hybrids or if you want a bulb of a flower you see at my camp. As I mentioned, helping other and making it a fun game experience to them makes my day.

Fez: Voting for me will bring another fair minded unbiased individual to the DP role, I always try to help where I can anyway and help everyone enjoy the game the best they can. I hope I can be considered for your votes and I am aiming for Leadership Oracle as a sideline to being a good DP so can get the monument built at the end of tale. Please all get out to vote the more voters the more of egypt has a say in who should be a DP. Thanks all for watching

Dreasimy: Pirates or Ninjas? GO!

Peabody: Pirates. I wanted to be a pirate when I grew up as a child. Still do.

Linisha: hehe both a pirate ninja

Pascalito: BOTH! Let them kill each other off and we get rid of evil :)

Fez: ninja's unseen and hide inthe shadows

Dreasimy: There are 22 hours left to vote for DP at your local voting booth. Soon I will have the logs of this debate spruced up and on the wiki, Ill announce when they are ready on here and L2PBS :)

Dreasimy: Thanks to all the candidates, questioners, listeners and thoughtful voters :D

Fez: Thank you Dreasimy for you wonderful DP debate, your hard work continues to make these debates run smoothly and help Egypt make their minds up :)

Pascalito: Thank you very much Dreasimy for your time and extremely good work!

Peabody: Yes thanks for being so orgainized and making this happen :)

Dreasimy: It only took me 1 tea, 1 frappachino and half a mountain dew! :D

Linisha: Thank you once again Dreasimy for hosting and thank you all of Egypt that tuned into listen to us put our selfs in the hot seat