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I've struggled a lot with the making of gearboxes. I did find a guidefrom T3 (http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Users/EldradUlthran/Gearbox_Guide) and some explanations here: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Design_Guide and http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox.
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I've struggled a lot with the making of gearboxes. I did find a guide from T3 (http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Users/EldradUlthran/Gearbox_Guide) and some explanations here: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Design_Guide and http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox.
  
 
Still I kept having problems and mostly tried them on a trial/error basis, which most of the times got me frustated :) so eventually, when I did manage to make them, I tried to write this guide.
 
Still I kept having problems and mostly tried them on a trial/error basis, which most of the times got me frustated :) so eventually, when I did manage to make them, I tried to write this guide.
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== Step 2 - Different gearpairs  ==
 
== Step 2 - Different gearpairs  ==
*spacer, used to start a new layer (no cost)
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*spacer, used to start a new layer (no cost) - to represent it in the photo's I use: 1 ::[IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/91mpu0.jpg[/IMG]
*one step (photo) 3/3 only allows to move in a +-shape (cost=small gears)
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*one step (photo) 3/3 only allows to move in a +-shape (cost=small gears):: [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2u6jmhk.jpg[/IMG]
*diagonal (photo) 4/4 cheap  
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*diagonal (photo) 4/4 cheap :: [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/jqqbkg.jpg[/IMG]
*                3/5, 5/3, 5/3, 3/5 makes a large change in ratio)(cost= medium gears)
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*                3/5, 5/3 makes a large change in ratio)(cost= medium gears):: [IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2lc9tz6.jpg[/IMG]
*two steps up or sideways (photo) 5/6, 6/5, 4/7, 7/4 (makes smaller changes in ratio)(cost when using 7gear: large gears)
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*two steps up or sideways 5/6, 6/5, 4/7, 7/4 (makes smaller changes in ratio)(cost when using 7gear: large gears) :: [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/90btw2.jpg[/IMG]
*knight's move (photo) 6/6, 5/7, 7/5
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*knight's move 6/6, 5/7, 7/5 ::[IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ape.jpg[/IMG]]
  
 
**4/4 is much cheaper then 6/6 , although with 6/6 you move over large distances
 
**4/4 is much cheaper then 6/6 , although with 6/6 you move over large distances
**3/3, 4/4, 6/6  makes no change in ratio (photo)
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**3/3, 4/4, 6/6  makes no change in ratio (photo still to come)
**3/5, 5/6, 4/7 makes the ratio go up (photo)
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**3/5, 5/6, 4/7 makes the ratio go down :: [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/35bcl7l.jpg[/IMG]
**5/3, 6/5, 7/4, 7/5 makes the ratio go down (photo)
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**5/3, 6/5, 7/4, 7/5 makes the ratio go up :: [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2r545tw.jpg[/IMG]
 
 
 
 
  
 
== Step 3 - Useful to know ==
 
== Step 3 - Useful to know ==
*you always start at 1A, ratio 100
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*you always start at 1A, ratio 100ù
 
*8 rows, 8 columns
 
*8 rows, 8 columns
 
*you always need to end at row 8
 
*you always need to end at row 8
*only 30 shafts can be used - including spacers????
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*only 30 shafts can be used - = including spacers
*no more then 3 layers are possible
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*no more then 3 layers/levels are possible
*always put the smallest gear on the bottom, ex: spacer, 3-gear, 5-gear on top of each other, not spacer, 5-gear, 3-gear
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*always put the smallest gear on the bottom, ex: spacer, 3-gear, 5-gear on top of each other, not spacer, 5-gear, 3-gear - <u>it seems it is possible to put a small gear on top of a large gear</u>, but depending on your next move, you can get the message that they are too close to each other: see photo's
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[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2mwxlwy.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2z87w9y.jpg[/IMG]
 
*only 3/3, 4/4, 3/5, 5/3, 5/6, 6/5, 6/6, 4/7, 7/4, 5/7, 7/5 pairs can be used
 
*only 3/3, 4/4, 3/5, 5/3, 5/6, 6/5, 6/6, 4/7, 7/4, 5/7, 7/5 pairs can be used
 
  
 
== Step 4 - Example of a 1-output gearbox  ==
 
== Step 4 - Example of a 1-output gearbox  ==
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*let's make gearbox: D160-175  
 
*let's make gearbox: D160-175  
 
** check the ratiopage: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Ratios or you can use: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Tamutnefret_Gearbox_Ratios
 
** check the ratiopage: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Ratios or you can use: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Tamutnefret_Gearbox_Ratios
**here we see the possible ratios: photo (black square)
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**here we see the possible ratios: photo below: black square
**we need the ones with the lowest cost
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**we need the one with the lowest cost: photo below:red square
**photo (red marked one is the lowest cost possible
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[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/nv3w9w.jpg[/IMG]
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** photo's from the board using the cheap 4/4 gears
 
** photo's from the board using the cheap 4/4 gears
  
[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2qte1yg.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/2m3ic8o.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/13ye6gy.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/a2671j.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/mbq3hh.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2wbydmt.jpg[/IMG]
  
** photo's from the board using the expensive 6/6 gears
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** photo's from the board using the expensive 6/6 gears - but since we need to make:  D160-175 we have to put some 4-gears under the 6-gears
[IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/a5jd69.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/4v5x89.jpg[/IMG]
  
 
== Step 5 - Example of a 2-output gearbox ==
 
== Step 5 - Example of a 2-output gearbox ==
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**look for ratio's that are used for both
 
**look for ratio's that are used for both
 
**here we see the possible ratios: photo (black square)
 
**here we see the possible ratios: photo (black square)
**we need the ones with the lowest cost
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**start looking for shared ratio's, preferably at the start!!! then possibly with lowest cost, if there is still choice - photo: red square
**photo (red marked one is the lowest cost possible
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** photo's from the board
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[IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/25q9cgh.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/qxui5l.jpg[/IMG]
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** photo's from the board
 
** photo's from the board
  
  
== Step 6 - Example of a 3-output gearbox ==
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[IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/2md52td.jpg[/IMG]
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== Step 6 - Example of a 3-output gearbox ==  
 
*used for [[Test of Dancing Waters]], the dancing waters mechanism
 
*used for [[Test of Dancing Waters]], the dancing waters mechanism
*let's make gearbox: A100-132  D350-390   F230-256
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*let's make gearbox: B240-280  E175-205   H322-375
 
**check the ratiopage: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Ratios or you can use: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Tamutnefret_Gearbox_Ratios
 
**check the ratiopage: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Ratios or you can use: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Tamutnefret_Gearbox_Ratios
 
**look for ratio's that are used for all 3 of them
 
**look for ratio's that are used for all 3 of them
 
**here we see the possible ratios: photo (black square)
 
**here we see the possible ratios: photo (black square)
**we need the ones with the lowest cost
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**we need the ones that are shared by all 3 and then if there is still choice, the lowest cost possible
**photo (red marked one is the lowest cost possible
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** photo's from the board
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** [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/rwup7b.jpg[/IMG]
** photo's from the board
 
  
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** [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/nz10kx.jpg[/IMG]
  
 
== Step 7 - Final ==
 
== Step 7 - Final ==
*you'll get a message if you r gearbox is not good
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*you'll get a message if your gearbox is not good
**either your gears don't mesh
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**either your gears don't mesh :: [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/ehkj1u.jpg[/IMG]
**either you don't have an output in row 8
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**either you don't have an output in row 8 :: [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/14txqf.jpg[/IMG]
 
**either you have used up your 30 shafts
 
**either you have used up your 30 shafts
 
*also on top of your board you'll see if your gearbox has the correct ratio
 
*also on top of your board you'll see if your gearbox has the correct ratio

Latest revision as of 11:07, 28 July 2013

I've struggled a lot with the making of gearboxes. I did find a guide from T3 (http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale3/Users/EldradUlthran/Gearbox_Guide) and some explanations here: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox_Design_Guide and http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Gearbox.

Still I kept having problems and mostly tried them on a trial/error basis, which most of the times got me frustated :) so eventually, when I did manage to make them, I tried to write this guide.

Step 1 - What do you need


Step 2 - Different gearpairs

  • spacer, used to start a new layer (no cost) - to represent it in the photo's I use: 1 ::[IMG]91mpu0.jpg[/IMG]
  • one step (photo) 3/3 only allows to move in a +-shape (cost=small gears):: [IMG]2u6jmhk.jpg[/IMG]
  • diagonal (photo) 4/4 cheap :: [IMG]jqqbkg.jpg[/IMG]
  • 3/5, 5/3 makes a large change in ratio)(cost= medium gears):: [IMG]2lc9tz6.jpg[/IMG]
  • two steps up or sideways 5/6, 6/5, 4/7, 7/4 (makes smaller changes in ratio)(cost when using 7gear: large gears) :: [IMG]90btw2.jpg[/IMG]
  • knight's move 6/6, 5/7, 7/5 ::[IMG]a4ape.jpg[/IMG]]
    • 4/4 is much cheaper then 6/6 , although with 6/6 you move over large distances
    • 3/3, 4/4, 6/6 makes no change in ratio (photo still to come)
    • 3/5, 5/6, 4/7 makes the ratio go down :: [IMG]35bcl7l.jpg[/IMG]
    • 5/3, 6/5, 7/4, 7/5 makes the ratio go up :: [IMG]2r545tw.jpg[/IMG]

Step 3 - Useful to know

  • you always start at 1A, ratio 100ù
  • 8 rows, 8 columns
  • you always need to end at row 8
  • only 30 shafts can be used - = including spacers
  • no more then 3 layers/levels are possible
  • always put the smallest gear on the bottom, ex: spacer, 3-gear, 5-gear on top of each other, not spacer, 5-gear, 3-gear - it seems it is possible to put a small gear on top of a large gear, but depending on your next move, you can get the message that they are too close to each other: see photo's

[IMG]2mwxlwy.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]2z87w9y.jpg[/IMG]

  • only 3/3, 4/4, 3/5, 5/3, 5/6, 6/5, 6/6, 4/7, 7/4, 5/7, 7/5 pairs can be used

Step 4 - Example of a 1-output gearbox

[IMG]nv3w9w.jpg[/IMG]

    • photo's from the board using the cheap 4/4 gears

[IMG]2m3ic8o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]a2671j.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]2wbydmt.jpg[/IMG]

    • photo's from the board using the expensive 6/6 gears - but since we need to make: D160-175 we have to put some 4-gears under the 6-gears

[IMG]4v5x89.jpg[/IMG]

Step 5 - Example of a 2-output gearbox

[IMG]25q9cgh.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]qxui5l.jpg[/IMG]


    • photo's from the board


[IMG]2md52td.jpg[/IMG]

Step 6 - Example of a 3-output gearbox

    • [IMG]rwup7b.jpg[/IMG]


    • [IMG]nz10kx.jpg[/IMG]

Step 7 - Final

  • you'll get a message if your gearbox is not good
    • either your gears don't mesh :: [IMG]ehkj1u.jpg[/IMG]
    • either you don't have an output in row 8 :: [IMG]14txqf.jpg[/IMG]
    • either you have used up your 30 shafts
  • also on top of your board you'll see if your gearbox has the correct ratio
  • when your gearbox is ok, then you'll get a popup window: "do you want to make this gearbox .....?"



I hope this guide makes making gearboxes a bit more easier.