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Thistleguide in 10 steps:
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* 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
 
* 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
  
* 2. open Talescript, VT, config_thistle (or open your VT map, config_thistle)(is where you have installed VT, in my case it is on the C:/ -so find out where you have installed your copy of VT)
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* 2. open Talescript, trunk, VT, config_thistle OR open your VT map, config_thistle (is where you have installed VT, in my case it is on the C:/veggietales (I don't use talescript) -so find out where you have installed your copy of VT/talescript)
  
* 3. set all to 0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0 (standard they all stand at '1')
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* 3. set all the voids to 0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0 (standard they all stand at '1')
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http://i60.tinypic.com/r1lts7.png
  
* 4. under rosirazor, I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre"   
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* 4. under 'desired "label:Mine" ' , I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre"  (offcourse, here comes your name)
desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~
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desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~ = you find this when clicking on your silkwormfarm)
 
you may delete all others, it is not needed to keep them  
 
you may delete all others, it is not needed to keep them  
 
so you write like this:  
 
so you write like this:  
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if you write it like this:  
 
if you write it like this:  
  
//desired A-F~P+T+ it won't be searched !!
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//desired A-F~P+T+       it won't be searched !!
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http://i57.tinypic.com/b8tkjo.jpg
  
 
* 5. save the notepad
 
* 5. save the notepad
  
* 6. open VT, run Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in history file) every list ends with thistle, check if mine is there too
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* 6. open VT , run Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in 'history' file --> look at where you have installed your copy of VT or talescript --> see point 2)
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http://i61.tinypic.com/2lmb476.png
  
* 7: Open history in VeggieTales folder, Scroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.
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* 7: Open 'history' in VeggieTales folder,Scroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.
http://i58.tinypic.com/2hnw3h1.png
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http://i57.tinypic.com/2dhvi2p.png
  
* 8. Open talescripts, VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix), and notepad opens
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* 8. Depending on what you use either: Open VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix)  OR  Open talescripts, trunk, VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix),
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and notepad opens (again this is not the actual program, but where you have installed VT/talescript)
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OR do the easiest: click on the little 'e' on the left of any of the above mentioned names, on the VT: http://i58.tinypic.com/11uevcm.png
  
 
**a) Change 'local expected_gardens' to = your thistle garden number (amount of gardens you want to run)
 
**a) Change 'local expected_gardens' to = your thistle garden number (amount of gardens you want to run)
 
**b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"  
 
**b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"  
 
**c) Change 'local last_sun' to = 33 for day with closed canopy, 99 for day with open canopy, 0 for night (canopy does not matter= there is no sun at night :))
 
**c) Change 'local last_sun' to = 33 for day with closed canopy, 99 for day with open canopy, 0 for night (canopy does not matter= there is no sun at night :))
http://i62.tinypic.com/2mn0juu.png  
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http://i61.tinypic.com/2dc71ug.png
  
 
* 9. save notepad
 
* 9. save notepad
  
* 10. pin your gardens, (can use VT windows arranger), start VT and use the thistle_custom lua or thistle_new lua or thistle_new mix lua
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* 10. pin your gardens, (can use VT windows arranger or manager), check if you have seeds, waterjugs in inventory, check if the time is correct, start VT and use the thistle_custom lua or thistle_new lua or thistle_new mix lua
  
  
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* It takes 6m 30s (Real Time) to do a run on the garden.
 
* It takes 6m 30s (Real Time) to do a run on the garden.
  
* If you need to set/change one of your canopies quickly, just Plant a Crop, click Sun button, then Abort
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* If you need to reset/change one of your canopies quickly, just Plant a Crop, click Sun button, then Abort
 
   
 
   
 
* don't put more then 1000 thistles in the silkworm farm
 
* don't put more then 1000 thistles in the silkworm farm
  
* How do I get more thistleseeds? : everytime you succeed to grow thistles, you get 5 thistleseeds in your inventory (have to check ???
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* How do I get more thistleseeds? : everytime you succeed to grow thistles, you get 5 thistleseeds in your inventory (still have to check this ???)
  
 
* DAYTIME= 8.25 am - 15.30 pm (3.50pm)
 
* DAYTIME= 8.25 am - 15.30 pm (3.50pm)
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* NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am  
 
* NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am  
  
* with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am ???
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* with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am (still have to check this ???)
  
* Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for nighttime growing, recipe with '12' is used for daytime growing
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* Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for nighttime growing and recipe with '12' is used for daytime growing (so you can choose to grow either at nigttime either at daytime)
  
* Best for A+C+F-P~: 1000/16 (D): means: that there is no night recipe only a day recipe with 18 actions
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* Best for A+C+F-P~: 1000/16 (D): means: that there is no night recipe only a day recipe with 16 actions
  
* Best for B+C~N-T-: 1000/100 (-): means: this thistle can't be made now
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* Best for B+C~N-T-: 1000/100 (-): means: this thistle can't be made now, you 'll have to wait till next voids
  
http://i59.tinypic.com/68a6ox.png
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http://i60.tinypic.com/n5ij60.png
  
  
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<font color="#ff0000">REMARKS</font>
 
<font color="#ff0000">REMARKS</font>
  
*using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE NEW LUA page
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*using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_CUSTOM LUA page
**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for lots of gardens
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid) - this is the best if you only do a few gardens at once
  
*using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE CUSTOM LUA page
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*using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW LUA page
**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid)
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**REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for lots of gardens - use the windows arranger or manager to do the cascade
  
*using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE NEW MIX LUA page
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*using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW_MIX LUA page
 
***REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded
 
***REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded
  
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http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Asnath/Thistle_Guide
  
 
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist
 
http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist
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==[[Jay's check]]==
 
==[[Jay's check]]==
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==[[Jay's try]]==

Latest revision as of 07:21, 18 April 2014

Thistleguide in 10 steps:

  • 1. find out the current voids (/info twistedthistle)
  • 2. open Talescript, trunk, VT, config_thistle OR open your VT map, config_thistle (is where you have installed VT, in my case it is on the C:/veggietales (I don't use talescript) -so find out where you have installed your copy of VT/talescript)
  • 3. set all the voids to 0 (voids that weekly changes)vb; rule_nit-asc = 1 becomes: rule_nit_asc= 0 (standard they all stand at '1')

r1lts7.png

  • 4. under 'desired "label:Mine" ' , I write: desired "label:JaylenaeYbarre" (offcourse, here comes your name)

desired (what my worms need comes here - ex A+N-P~T~ = you find this when clicking on your silkwormfarm) you may delete all others, it is not needed to keep them so you write like this:

desired "label: Jaylenaeybarre"

desired A-F~P+T+ 

if you write it like this:

//desired A-F~P+T+ it won't be searched !!

b8tkjo.jpg

  • 5. save the notepad
  • 6. open VT , run Thistle mode (get about 40 steps here for the macro - this list will be saved in 'history' file --> look at where you have installed your copy of VT or talescript --> see point 2)

2lmb476.png

  • 7: Open 'history' in VeggieTales folder,Scroll to the bottom and check percentages. If it is in the 85% range you probably can grow an accurate thistle, below that you may need to experiment. Try the "Best for . . ." recipe first. Copy the recipe, but not the letters saying what it will produce at the top and bottom, just the list of numbers.

2dhvi2p.png

  • 8. Depending on what you use either: Open VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix) OR Open talescripts, trunk, VT, luascript, thistle_custom (or thistle_new or thistle_new mix),

and notepad opens (again this is not the actual program, but where you have installed VT/talescript)

OR do the easiest: click on the little 'e' on the left of any of the above mentioned names, on the VT: 11uevcm.png 
    • a) Change 'local expected_gardens' to = your thistle garden number (amount of gardens you want to run)
    • b) Paste in recipe after: "instructions = {"
    • c) Change 'local last_sun' to = 33 for day with closed canopy, 99 for day with open canopy, 0 for night (canopy does not matter= there is no sun at night :))

2dc71ug.png

  • 9. save notepad
  • 10. pin your gardens, (can use VT windows arranger or manager), check if you have seeds, waterjugs in inventory, check if the time is correct, start VT and use the thistle_custom lua or thistle_new lua or thistle_new mix lua


!!in inventory: seeds and jugs, careful: all gardens same (unless using new mix lua)


      • More things to consider
- Low ≤ 20
~ Average > 20, < 80
+ High ≥ 80
  • It takes 6m 30s (Real Time) to do a run on the garden.
  • If you need to reset/change one of your canopies quickly, just Plant a Crop, click Sun button, then Abort
  • don't put more then 1000 thistles in the silkworm farm
  • How do I get more thistleseeds? : everytime you succeed to grow thistles, you get 5 thistleseeds in your inventory (still have to check this ???)
  • DAYTIME= 8.25 am - 15.30 pm (3.50pm)
  • NIGHT TIME= 15.50 pm - 8 am
  • with open canopy = night recipe usable 6 pm - 6 am (still have to check this ???)
  • Best for A-C+N-T~:13/12 (*) : means: recipe with '13' is used for nighttime growing and recipe with '12' is used for daytime growing (so you can choose to grow either at nigttime either at daytime)
  • Best for A+C+F-P~: 1000/16 (D): means: that there is no night recipe only a day recipe with 16 actions
  • Best for B+C~N-T-: 1000/100 (-): means: this thistle can't be made now, you 'll have to wait till next voids

n5ij60.png


REMARKS

  • using VT THISTLE CUSTOM --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_CUSTOM LUA page
    • REMEMBER: gardenwindows need to be put side by side (grid) - this is the best if you only do a few gardens at once
  • using VT THISTLE NEW --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW LUA page
    • REMEMBER: gardenwindows need be cascading (plant a crop always visible)used for lots of gardens - use the windows arranger or manager to do the cascade
  • using VT THISTLE NEW MIX --> change has to be done on the THISTLE_NEW_MIX LUA page
      • REMEMBER: cascade but also used with different gardens up- & not upgraded



  • On the following figure (Figure 2) you will find an approximate sketch showing when you can safely use which recipes. ???????

Sungraph1.svg

  • During dusk and dawn the Sun value is constantly changing, making it insanely difficult to get any working recipes with predictable results.
  • On the figure (Figure 2), the growing times for night are provided with the assumption that the canopy is closed. With canopy open, night recipes work from around 6 pm to 6 am. The reason for this large difference is that "night time" requires very low sun values, and they come by much faster when the sun is limited to 1/3.
  • Hint: you might want to start your garden an egypt-minute later than the time indicated on the figure, just to be sure.






http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale5/User:Asnath/Thistle_Guide

http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidlist

http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale6/Guilds/Twisted_Thistle/Voidfinding

Jay's check

Jay's try