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− | Wine making starts with the [[Viticulture]] technology. Any level 5+ player can learn it at any UWorship where it's been unlocked. Once you learn the skill, you'll be able to use vine cuttings, build vineyards, wine barrels and ceremonial tasting tables. All of these are necessary for making and drinking wines. | + | Wine making starts with the [[Viticulture]] technology. Any level 5+ player can learn it at any UWorship where it's been unlocked. Once you learn the skill, you'll be able to use vine cuttings, build vineyards, wine barrels and ceremonial tasting tables. All of these are necessary for making and drinking wines. You'll also need [[barrel tap| barrel taps]] to seal the wine in wine barrels and that requires at least carving 3 and am iron knife -- or you can trade for barrel taps. |
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This can cause a problem in the long run as many winemakers eventually settle on one hybrid vine cutting. If you grow grapes at a specific vineyard and wind up with poor quality grapes, then growing more grapes there will also produce poor quality grapes. But if tear down the vineyard and build a new one at the same spot, the game will assign the new vineyard a new tending sequence. This gives you the chance for better grapes. | This can cause a problem in the long run as many winemakers eventually settle on one hybrid vine cutting. If you grow grapes at a specific vineyard and wind up with poor quality grapes, then growing more grapes there will also produce poor quality grapes. But if tear down the vineyard and build a new one at the same spot, the game will assign the new vineyard a new tending sequence. This gives you the chance for better grapes. | ||
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+ | == Grapes, Barrels and Barrel Taps. Lot's of 'em == | ||
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+ | Now that you are ready to harvest grapes, it's important to start a record keeping process. The harvested grapes show up in your inventory with your name and a number after it. The first time I harvested grapes in T6, they were Rabble#1 and the second time they were Rabble#2, etc. The game does not record the stats of the grapes or the location where you grew them or the type of vine cutting you used. | ||
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I suggest setting up a spreadsheet to track all that information. If you tend and harvest grapes with veggietales, it will also record some of the data for you. But I still recommend more detailed notes in a spreadsheet, word processor or some other database. ''All serious wine makers need good notes!'' | I suggest setting up a spreadsheet to track all that information. If you tend and harvest grapes with veggietales, it will also record some of the data for you. But I still recommend more detailed notes in a spreadsheet, word processor or some other database. ''All serious wine makers need good notes!'' | ||
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− | The game tracks every batch of grapes you add to the barrel and how long it's been since you harvested those grapes. If you | + | Once harvested, the grapes will only last one day in your inventory. After 24 teppy hours, the grapes will sour. You won't know that until you try to use them. So it's important to hustle those grapes over to a [[wine barrel]], click on the barrel and add the grapes. You can add as many grapes as you want to a single barrel but you'll need at least 21 bunches of grapes to make a single bottle of wine. Single vineyards usually produce 80 to 200 bunches of grapes. Some hybrid vine cuttings can even produce more. |
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+ | The game tracks every batch of grapes you add to the barrel and how long it's been since you harvested those grapes. If any of those grapes are over 24 teppy hours old, you won't be able to seal the barrel. You'll get a message that the grapes have spoiled and you'll have to empty the content and loose all of the grapes. | ||
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+ | This means it's important to harvest grapes only when you have barrels setup and available to use. You'll also need a [[barrel tap]] to seal the barrel. You can make these yourself if you have carving 3 and at least an iron knife. Some players hate making small barrels or barrel taps and just trade for them or join guilds with barrels and taps available. | ||
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+ | Once you barrel space, barrel taps and a system to record the grape stats, then go back to your vineyards that are ready to harvest and puck those grapes. As noted, you can mix and match grapes in any one barrel. But I strongly recommend you initially limit the grapes in any barrel to one vineyard. | ||
Revision as of 02:28, 21 November 2013
So you want to be an ATiTD wine maker? No. Stop. Don't do it. Go away. It will drive you nuts.
Still here? Well let me share what little I know.
Wine making starts with the Viticulture technology. Any level 5+ player can learn it at any UWorship where it's been unlocked. Once you learn the skill, you'll be able to use vine cuttings, build vineyards, wine barrels and ceremonial tasting tables. All of these are necessary for making and drinking wines. You'll also need barrel taps to seal the wine in wine barrels and that requires at least carving 3 and am iron knife -- or you can trade for barrel taps.
Getting a Vine Cutting
The first thing you'll need is a vine cutting and there are two ways to get cuttings. The best way is to ask around. Veteran winemakers usually have lots of cuttings and give them away for free. Sometimes they even setup public warehouses and vineyards where you can get cuttings for yourself. They can also recommend the best types of cuttings for wine or chemistry.
The second method is to take a deben tilipa meat to a UWorship which has unlocked viticulture. Hand over the tilipia and you might get a vine cutting in return. It all depends on whether anyone else has received a cutting in the last hour from that university. If someone else recently received a cutting, you'll just get a message to come back later.
Each UWorship gives out a different randomly selected type of cutting. At the beginning of tale, it's best to make wines with the Balance type cutting. If that's not available, use any of the others but switch to Balance once it shows up. After crossbreeding is unlocked there will be even better vine types to use. It's why it's best to skip the UWorships altogether and just ask another player for cuttings.
Planting and Reproducing Cuttings
Now that you have a shiny new cutting, head back to your camp and build several vineyards near your CP. I recommend building a row of five or six vineyards.
Click on one of the vineyards and choose "Plant" and select your cutting. Click on the vineyard again and you'll see a detailed set of choices. Don't try any of them yet. Instead just find the "Take a Cutting of the Vine" choice. You can take a vine cutting every two RL hours. Taking a cutting does not hurt the growing vine or change any of the stats. It just gives you a new, free cutting.
Wait two hours after you planted your first cutting and click on the vineyard to get a new cutting. Plant that one.
Then wait another two hours and take cuttings from both of the vineyards. Plant those cuttings. In this manner, you can double the number of cuttings every two hours.
Tending Vines Until You Drop
If you click on a vineyard with a growing vine, you'll see a detailed box with a lot of information. Near the top is a single line describing the current vine status. The possibilities are "The vines are sagging a bit", "Leaves are wilting". "A musty smell can be detected", "Stems look especially fat", "Leaves rustle in the breeze", "The grapes are starting to shrivel", or "Leaves shimmer with moisture".
Below the status line are several numbers of the grape stats. They are Acid, Color, Grapes, Quality, Skin, Sugar and Vigor.
And below the stats are different tending choices such as "Tend: Aerate the Soil".
Every tending method changes the stats of the grapes in a different way based on the current state of the vine. For example, if a vineyard in Tale 6 is growing Balance and "Leaves are wilting", then choosing "Tend: Aerate the Soil" will always change acid by +6, color by +5, grapes by +7, quality by -5, skin by +8, sugar by 0, and vigor by -14. Choosing "Tend: Mist the Grapes" will change the grape stats in a different way.
Figuring out the tend tables is beyond the scope of this guide. Veteran winemakers do it every tale and post the tables to the wiki. Sometimes they even recommend specific tending methods. But your job as a vine grower is to pick a tending method that increases the number of grapes on the vine and also changes the grape stats that are most important to you. You can find tending tables for vine cuttings on the wiki.
As a winemaker, I strongly recommend choosing tending methods that increase grape count while also raising sugar and quality. Acid, color and skin are not very important for drinking wines. Note that each time you tend the grapes, it will decrease the vigor of the cutting. If the vigor gets to zero, the grapes die. So it's very important to choose tending methods which lower vigor as little as possible. This usually leaves you with a small dilemma as you have to pick tendings that decrease vigor very little, increase grape count as much as possible and also boost quality and sugar. It's usually not possible to do all four with each tending. You'll have to compromise at times.
Once you work out your preferred tending methods, you can tend a vineyard every RL hour. It doesn't hurt to wait longer. You can leave a vineyard untended for a year and it will stay in the same condition. The grape stats won't change until you tend the vine.
I suggest tending a vine until the vigor is so low that the next tending will kill it. Then it's time to "harvest the grapes" and plant a new cutting. Using a macro program like veggietales helps a lot with tendings as they can become very boring after a while. But don't harvest grapes until you read the next section.
As you grow grapes in multiple vineyards, you might notice that each vineyard goes through a predetermined sequence of vine states. If a vineyard near your CP starts with "The grapes are sagging" then every vine cutting you plant there will also start with "The grapes are sagging". If the first tend changes the grapes to "The leaves are wilting" then that will always be the second status of vines planted at that specific vineyard. It doesn't matter how many times you plant vines there or how often you tend them or when you plant them or who tends or plants them. The game predetermines the vine status sequence at the time the vineyard is built.
This can cause a problem in the long run as many winemakers eventually settle on one hybrid vine cutting. If you grow grapes at a specific vineyard and wind up with poor quality grapes, then growing more grapes there will also produce poor quality grapes. But if tear down the vineyard and build a new one at the same spot, the game will assign the new vineyard a new tending sequence. This gives you the chance for better grapes.
Grapes, Barrels and Barrel Taps. Lot's of 'em
Now that you are ready to harvest grapes, it's important to start a record keeping process. The harvested grapes show up in your inventory with your name and a number after it. The first time I harvested grapes in T6, they were Rabble#1 and the second time they were Rabble#2, etc. The game does not record the stats of the grapes or the location where you grew them or the type of vine cutting you used.
I suggest setting up a spreadsheet to track all that information. If you tend and harvest grapes with veggietales, it will also record some of the data for you. But I still recommend more detailed notes in a spreadsheet, word processor or some other database. All serious wine makers need good notes!
Once harvested, the grapes will only last one day in your inventory. After 24 teppy hours, the grapes will sour. You won't know that until you try to use them. So it's important to hustle those grapes over to a wine barrel, click on the barrel and add the grapes. You can add as many grapes as you want to a single barrel but you'll need at least 21 bunches of grapes to make a single bottle of wine. Single vineyards usually produce 80 to 200 bunches of grapes. Some hybrid vine cuttings can even produce more.
The game tracks every batch of grapes you add to the barrel and how long it's been since you harvested those grapes. If any of those grapes are over 24 teppy hours old, you won't be able to seal the barrel. You'll get a message that the grapes have spoiled and you'll have to empty the content and loose all of the grapes.
This means it's important to harvest grapes only when you have barrels setup and available to use. You'll also need a barrel tap to seal the barrel. You can make these yourself if you have carving 3 and at least an iron knife. Some players hate making small barrels or barrel taps and just trade for them or join guilds with barrels and taps available.
Once you barrel space, barrel taps and a system to record the grape stats, then go back to your vineyards that are ready to harvest and puck those grapes. As noted, you can mix and match grapes in any one barrel. But I strongly recommend you initially limit the grapes in any barrel to one vineyard.