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Zoser, Femi, Djoser, Urbi & the Stripping of Casino's Demi-Pharaoh Powers

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2011-02-06 18:37:46 M:Casino has used the power of the Demi-Pharaoh to permanently exile M:Zoser from Egypt.

2011-02-06 18:38:32 M:Casino has used the power of the Demi-Pharaoh to permanently exile F:Femi from Egypt.

2011-02-06 19:00:55 M:Casino has used the power of the Demi-Pharaoh to permanently exile M:Djoser from Egypt.

2011-02-06 19:13:46 M:Casino has used the power of the Demi-Pharaoh to permanently exile F:Urbi from Egypt.

2011-02-06 18:38:28 blondie: here begineth the drama...

2011-02-06 18:40:04 Aberdon: holy shit

2011-02-06 18:40:21 Rhaom: lol blondie

2011-02-06 18:40:53 Pasheri: what's up with the DP bans?

2011-02-06 18:41:19 Amora: Hasn't been a long time since someone actually used that power?

2011-02-06 18:42:29 Aberdon: yep

2011-02-06 18:43:17 blondie: i think since t4

2011-02-06 18:43:44 Nchanter: Is there a story here? Or...?

2011-02-06 18:43:45 Amora: So these people are evil and only cause harm to others?

2011-02-06 18:43:47 Aberdon: 2 active acroers too

2011-02-06 18:45:01 blondie: well, only the people involved can say....and no word so far...

2011-02-06 18:45:05 Hawkeye: It would be nice to hear from Casino on this

2011-02-06 18:45:06 mork: Casino calm dawn pls :)

2011-02-06 18:45:35 Shiranai: Casino needs to explain to the rest of us why.

2011-02-06 18:46:09 Darwishi: Casino wont have to explain, maybe personal between others

2011-02-06 18:46:10 BroHotep: Demipharoah answers to no mortal!

2011-02-06 18:46:13 Hawkeye: waits to be banned for speaking out

2011-02-06 18:46:16 Orton: can one dp ban another dp?

2011-02-06 18:46:33 Darwishi: no orton

2011-02-06 18:46:40 Aberdon: no

2011-02-06 18:46:43 Nchanter: No, DP's are immune from DP ban -- DP's can only be banned by law.

2011-02-06 18:47:02 Darwishi: which is why you need to be careful when voting !!

2011-02-06 18:47:06 Charlie: what happens when u get exile?

2011-02-06 18:47:16 Nchanter: (or for violating the Rule of Conduct)

2011-02-06 18:47:21 Aberdon: you done

2011-02-06 18:47:45 KasumiGhia: exile == Account closed.

2011-02-06 18:47:45 BroHotep: When you get exiled you live in a little hut by yourself.

2011-02-06 18:48:03 Nchanter: You are no longer able ot log into the account that has been banned.

2011-02-06 18:48:09 Blueshift: well, at least they'll finally get to explore the Hinterlands

2011-02-06 18:48:09 Blueshift: I hear its quite beautiful there

2011-02-06 18:48:11 Rhaom: rofl

2011-02-06 18:48:12 Amora: on a mountain that you can not climb down from

2011-02-06 18:59:18 Djoser: so casino why ya ban me and femi for no reason whatsoever?

2011-02-06 19:02:01 Djoser: oh nice he bans this name too

2011-02-06 19:03:33 Nchanter: Djoser did y'all remove him from a guild recently?

2011-02-06 19:04:09 Djoser: yes we did he quit our guild so no reason for him to still be there

2011-02-06 19:04:28 Nchanter: Out of curiosity, what guild?

2011-02-06 19:04:56 Djoser: out of our place, kamilah, and merchants

2011-02-06 19:05:57 Nchanter: He left, and is banning you for not letting him back in?

2011-02-06 19:06:32 Djoser: yes

2011-02-06 19:06:33 Amora: I the recently added imiigrant called Hoser an alt of Zoser and Djoser?

2011-02-06 19:06:35 Nchanter: or am i understanding this incorrectly?

2011-02-06 19:06:50 Djoser: and this is what happens when ya give ban powers to childish grown ups

2011-02-06 19:07:54 Culloden: does the DP have infinite bans or is it limited?

2011-02-06 19:08:12 Aberdon: 7

2011-02-06 19:08:22 Nchanter: 7 bans. (per time elected DP)

2011-02-06 19:08:23 Drakkett: Believe it is 7

2011-02-06 19:08:24 BroHotep: How are you still here if you've been banned?

2011-02-06 19:08:28 Culloden: oh kk, didnt know thank you

2011-02-06 19:08:33 Nchanter: If someone were to be elected twice, they would have 14.

2011-02-06 19:08:44 Charlie: what are u going to do Djoser?

2011-02-06 19:09:23 Nchanter: There is an amount of time they are still here until the excile kicks in. Allows them to transfer property, name an heir, etc.

2011-02-06 19:09:24 Pasheri: run for DP election? ;)

2011-02-06 19:09:27 Djoser: ive already called teppy on it im waiting for him to see whats going on

2011-02-06 19:09:48 Lill: Attn: The recent bans were not discussed with other DP's. Casino is acting on his own and he perfers that if YOU have a problem with that to please discuss it with him.

2011-02-06 19:10:02 Aberdon: heh

2011-02-06 19:10:02 Aberdon: he will enjoy the drama

2011-02-06 19:11:06 Pasheri: I have no problems with any DP, I love you all! Just so you know ^^

2011-02-06 19:11:13 Nchanter: Djoser, Teppy won't un-ban you. He might refund some $$ if you have a pre-pay, or transfer to another account, but Those accounts are exciled.

2011-02-06 19:11:17 Rania: so he can ban us too ? not a chance lol

2011-02-06 19:11:20 Asnath: well what a pitty ! we all enjoy drama :)

2011-02-06 19:11:59 blondie: well, whoever elects dps, i guess the dp's don't need to be accountable to them ;p

2011-02-06 19:12:32 Asnath: I thought it was not possible to ban someone if the majority of DP would not agree ??

2011-02-06 19:12:37 Charlie: well would like to know why those people get exiled

2011-02-06 19:12:50 Hapnutsheth: Or maybe this is a good lesson in misplaced trust. There were other candidates.

2011-02-06 19:13:18 BroHotep: Wow, six months of play down the drain.

2011-02-06 19:13:22 Nchanter: No Asnath, there is no game-mechanic for voting, it's just been the social construct in the past. A DP has the power to do this solo

2011-02-06 19:13:34 blondie: no, dp's can discuss with other dp's but they can be whoever they want, as long they can catch the person they want to ban

2011-02-06 19:13:43 Drakkett: no DP can ban anyone for any reason

2011-02-06 19:14:03 Urbi: so casino you gfoing to ban my daughters account as well?

2011-02-06 19:14:04 Drakkett: other than another DP

2011-02-06 19:14:17 Darwishi: yes they can drakkett, if they choose to

2011-02-06 19:14:24 Khephren: welp, 3 more to go

2011-02-06 19:14:25 Asnath: oh... ok, thanks for the explaination :)

2011-02-06 19:14:27 Urbi: i guess thats a yes

2011-02-06 19:16:47 Drakkett: Not sure I would advertise relationships at this point if you have any other ones left

2011-02-06 19:18:03 Nchanter: Especially without any explination from Casino it just makes Zoser (etc) look falsely wronged the more Casino lashes out in a Reactive Way

2011-02-06 19:21:23 Rania: his ban stick will soon be uded up at this rate

2011-02-06 19:21:25 Zmule: come on casino show your true colors and ban this name as well

2011-02-06 19:21:32 Koikinia: I suggest we all meet on Tahrir place to denounce the oppression of our DP! :-)

2011-02-06 19:21:37 Zmule: and mod quit suelching my posts im not doing anything wrong

2011-02-06 19:22:04 Aberdon: to be honest, explanations, discussion etc is not required, just like queues :)

2011-02-06 19:22:09 Akilla: i voted for casino because he is a wonderful player in egypt, and would not make such a decision without warrant, and does not have to discuss it, or explain it to anyone....

2011-02-06 19:22:10 Aberdon: and mine

2011-02-06 19:23:23 Augir: ** I understand we have many players angry atm but I can't post bad language, please rephraze if you don't see your post **

2011-02-06 19:23:33 Zmule: akilla what did i do to deserve a ban?

2011-02-06 19:25:56 Akilla: i am not privy to why you were banned, but for whatever reason you should be discussing this with him, not me

2011-02-06 19:27:01 Zmule: and casino be a man and speak up, why take this out on a 12 year old girl who did nothing to you, you had no right to ban me, femi or my daughter from game

2011-02-06 19:28:31 Khephren: I think the suggestion that the banned chars should talk to Casino is silly: I think Casino has Spoken pretty clearly.

2011-02-06 19:28:37 Hawkeye: I'm sure many here would like to know too

2011-02-06 19:29:15 Koikinia: I agree Hawkeye, we MUST have an explanation!

2011-02-06 19:29:56 Kitten: yes many want to know everyones business

2011-02-06 19:29:57 Zmule: i would like an explanation as well......

2011-02-06 19:30:39 Nchanter: Is Casino REQUIRE to give us an explination? No. But should he? I think so. If only to let the rest of us know that we don't have anything to fear from him, and that there was rational thought behind his actions, even if they are a different rational than Zosers

2011-02-06 19:31:36 inshepsut: If Casino plays the next tale, and wants to be elected as DP again, he'll need to post his side of the story. If he doesn't, his chances are nil.

2011-02-06 19:34:44 Zmule: ok heres your explanation everyone, after femi and i did everything to build our guild up to what it was, then casino comes back to game and claims he did/built everyttrhing and that we were treating him like a nigger (his words not mine), he left in middle of the night and we removed him from our guilds the next morning, after that he said to watch our backs that he was coming for us

2011-02-06 19:34:44 Zmule: but the proof is in the pudding, go see whos name is on most of the items built in our camp

2011-02-06 19:35:55 Charlie: A person who is immature and not willing to see their own faults and forgive the faults of others! Perhaps a selfish, judgemental, psycho, freak person could also work! No mean to offend! :-)

2011-02-06 19:37:12 Koikinia: I'm sincerely sad for the 12 years old child... :-((

2011-02-06 19:37:14 Khephren: well, full points for follow-through

2011-02-06 19:38:43 Zmule: yes koikinia its pretty sad that casino has to drag everyone into his own world of drama

2011-02-06 19:39:16 Khephren: Zmule, can I ask why you didn't say anything about this during the dp election?

2011-02-06 19:39:20 Akilla: well considering a couple dps were elected and wandered off into the desert never to be heard from again...I guess we are hearing from one

2011-02-06 19:39:43 docsaintly: I haven't seen Casino say anything in egypt during this, the only people i see dragging drama around are the ones still talking. HINT HINT

2011-02-06 19:39:51 Asnath: did you say "after casino came back" ? which would mean casino quitted the game at some point ?

2011-02-06 19:40:39 Zmule: i didnt wanna say anything because im more mature than that but i guess since hes not i shoulda said something sooner

2011-02-06 19:41:54 Zmule: and yes casino was gone at beginning of tale he was in a poker tourny traveling abroad

2011-02-06 19:41:54 Zmule: so yes casino wasnt here for first few months of tale

2011-02-06 19:43:58 Anie: yeah cause casino wont speak up....and yeah we have 3 prepaid yr accts...and for the immaturity of him to do that is just sad

2011-02-06 19:44:01 Charlie: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

2011-02-06 19:44:04 Maugan: given the information we've been offered, the only conclution I see is to ask who's gonna write the law to settle this?

2011-02-06 19:45:48 Amora: what does Pharoah's gambler mean?

2011-02-06 19:45:48 Asnath: the only law we should be writting now is the need of the DP majority to ban someone...

2011-02-06 19:46:13 docsaintly: or perhaps that a % of the DP can repeal a ban

2011-02-06 19:46:27 Zamses: Or the player base.

2011-02-06 19:46:46 Charlie: u do not judge people without evidence!

2011-02-06 19:47:05 Zeb: yes...why not vote for/against it ?

2011-02-06 19:47:19 Asnath: noone is judging here charlie...

2011-02-06 19:48:29 Anie: ok so charlie is casino im taking it?

2011-02-06 19:48:29 docsaintly: Hey everyone, this isn't the USA, or any other government you know of. This is ATITD, EGYPT. Everyone knows that DP's CAN ban without reason. We just hope they don't.

2011-02-06 19:48:56 Asnath: and Zeb... if we elect DP... this is to "represent us" so we should not have to vote on their decision :)

2011-02-06 19:49:08 Charlie: Casino made judgment that resulting damage to another

2011-02-06 19:49:39 Hawkeye: So you're saying it's just like any other government, they don't answer to the people

2011-02-06 19:49:46 Zmule: which is exactly what happened, i was banned without reason.....

2011-02-06 19:49:51 Anie: but WE did absolutly NOTHING wrong at all...and to just ban for nothing is wrong

2011-02-06 19:50:37 Charlie: Casino just hurt real people here nit NPC's and I mean psyhologicaly, mentaly, etc...

2011-02-06 19:51:04 docsaintly: Zmule/Anue - i didn't see you guys creating laws to curb the DP ban powers before this happened. Yes it sucks, i'm sorry if it happened without reason. But you should try to fix stuff before the worst happens instead of complaining how things work when it actually breaks.

2011-02-06 19:51:57 Zmule: sorry doc but i thought he was a bigger man than this, again i was wrong

2011-02-06 19:52:00 Charlie: we are not talking about NPC's here those are real people with real feelings!

2011-02-06 19:52:16 Ten: To be fair, DP has run without problems for what, four full tellings? First abuser we'd had

2011-02-06 19:52:26 blondie: doc, you may speak differently if you were banned, i'm just sayin....

2011-02-15 03:02:01 The petition "Undoing the DP Bans of Feb 2010" is now in effect. Since the only valid part of the law was stripping the remaining bans, that is the part now in effect.

Although the text of this law was not saved on the wiki the "Undoing the DP Bans of Feb 2010" law was the law that stripped Casino of his Demi-Pharaoh powers.

From Casino's User Page

Statement concerning the recent Bans

People of Egypt,

There has been much talk and speculation recently about my decision to ban some players from Egypt and I feel I should give my side of the story.

So, to address the issue at hand let me first explain WHY I decided to ban these players, before moving on the issue of the manner in which I did it.

These players had, it is true, committed "offences" against me and I have no doubt in my mind, having gotten to know them as I have, that they would have gone on to commit similar offences against others, allowing them to put much effort into things before then taking all the credit and all of the mats/buildings for themselves.

I was in the guild "Kamilahs and our Place", from the very early days of T5 and, as Akilla will testify, I put the majority of effort into building that guild up into what it is now.

The people in question then started to reassign the warehouses belonging to the guild to themselves. When I asked what was happening I got told "If you don't like it find another guild".

Despite being an elder in the guild, I was powerless to prevent this happening and taking mats/warehouses from a guild into personal ownership without all Elders' consent is pure theft.

Myself and the other elders argued about this for some time and in the end the matter caused me much upset and distress I actually quit the game for a couple of days before calming down and returning to the game.

Upon my return I found that I had been booted from the guild (a move which, in my opinion, should maybe have been taken after someone had quit for longer than a couple of days, but that is just my opinion).

During conversations with these people it became clear to me that reapplying to join the guild was a pointless matter because they would not allow me back in.

I gave this matter much consideration and did not just react out of revenge, or commit a "knee jerk reaction". I discussed the matter with many people, some of whom had been DPs in the past and were highly regarded as such, before taking the decision to ban these players

My mistake in this matter was to not involve the other active DPs, murtha and Lill, and for that I apologise, as I have done to them.

Only in extreme matters would I ever consider banning a player without first seeking counsel from my fellow DPs and, please, let me assure you ALL that I will not be going on to ban any other players, whether directly connected to the banned players or not. There would be no revenge bans. If I were that kind of player then I could have banned other players before/since these bans, and that hasn't happened.

I am aware that the nature in which I carried out the duties of my Office as a DP has caused consternation and upset amongst many quarters of Egypt and please be assured, that was not my intention.

In closing, whatever your decision/vote will be concerning my potential removal from the position of DP, I will accept.

Thankyou for reading,

Casino

Skyfeather

2011-05-09 15:02:49 M:Zildjan has used the power of the Demi-Pharaoh to temporarily exile M:Skyfeather from Egypt for a period of one week.

2011-05-09 15:08:33 Zildjan: Dear Fellow Egyptians.... IN line with past precedents I wanted to communicate to every player that a temporary ban is taking place on an issue involving use of explosives

2011-05-09 15:08:36 Zildjan: The player in question is Skyfeather that damaged an expedition site and that will be banned from Egypt for one week duration

2011-05-09 15:09:04 Zildjan: the seemingly lenient punishment is the result of having rbokered a peaceful discussion among involved parties and hte honoring on Skyfeather's part of the terms he was asked to abide to in reparation of his act

2011-05-09 15:13:14 Zildjan: well be forewarned in so far any undue use of explosive has been punished with a ban....so do not dwell on that mean as a way to resolve disputes or arguments........