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==Overview==
 
==Overview==
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My current project is incense research.  For many tales, the wiki has noted that adding Petals of Ra to incense can change its feeling, yet I have not found anything more than that.  Time to poke at it and see what comes out!  At this time, I am only researching the changes from Rose petals.  It has been brought to my attention that petals can be harvested from all in-game flower types.
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My current project is incense research.  For many tales, the wiki has noted that adding Petals of Ra to incense can change its feeling, yet I have not found anything more than that.  Time to poke at it and see what comes out!  At this time, I am only researching the changes from Rose petals.  As I finish the University roses, I am testing Lilies of the Sea and a few Orchids.  Petals can be harvested from all in-game flower types.
  
 
The feeling is affected by the flower petals added to the batch. <br>
 
The feeling is affected by the flower petals added to the batch. <br>
 
'''Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals''': Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.<br>
 
'''Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals''': Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.<br>
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'''Feelings seen after adding flower petals''':  Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievious, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.<br>
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'''Feelings seen after adding flower petals''':  Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievous, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.<br>
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I am testing with the University roses:  GL=Goldenleaves, HB=Hatch's Bud, NB=Night Bloom, OS=Onion Skin, PA=Pantomime, PG=Pink Giant, RD=Red Dwarf, WG=White Giant, and if released, BH=Blood Heart, DB=Dawn's Blush, and HD=Heart of Darkness.
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I am testing with the University roses:  GL=Goldenleaves, HB=Hatch's Bud, NB=Night Bloom, OS=Onion Skin, PA=Pantomime, PG=Pink Giant, RD=Red Dwarf, WG=White Giant, and if released, BH=Blood Heart, DB=Dawn's Blush, and HD=Heart of Darkness.  SP=Starting Point.
  
 
<s>Here is my raw data.</s>  There's now way too much data to make it worth posting here.  Hoping to find patterns and create a better way to show them.  So far, adding petals seems to change the quality and sometimes the feeling.
 
<s>Here is my raw data.</s>  There's now way too much data to make it worth posting here.  Hoping to find patterns and create a better way to show them.  So far, adding petals seems to change the quality and sometimes the feeling.
  
 
Possible patterns:
 
Possible patterns:
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*I have seen some consistency in some of the feeling changes.  I am working on a model that reflects these changes, perhaps a path or a circle to be travelled along.
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*I have seen some consistency in some of the feeling changes.  I am working on a model that reflects these changes, perhaps a path or a circle to be traveled along.
 
*Some feeling changes are rapid, and in some tests the feeling has not changed at all.  No test has gone beyond adding 20 petals of the same rose.
 
*Some feeling changes are rapid, and in some tests the feeling has not changed at all.  No test has gone beyond adding 20 petals of the same rose.
 
*The concept of starting points may be useful in predicting feeling changes.
 
*The concept of starting points may be useful in predicting feeling changes.
  
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The incense [[User:Maia/Incense/Starts| Starting Points table]] available through Maia's user page suggests multiple feeling types, which leads me to believe that at some point, somebody has done research on this.  Her table lists starting points for:  Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful 1, Hopeful 2, Melancholious, Relaxed 1, Relaxed 2, Relaxed 3, Sorrowful 1, Sorrowful 2, and Vengeful.
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The incense [[User:Maia/Incense/Starts| Starting Points table]] available through Maia's user page suggests multiple feeling types, which leads me to believe that at some point, somebody has done research on this.  Her table lists starting points for:  Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful 1, Hopeful 2, Melancholious, Relaxed 1, Relaxed 2, Relaxed 3, Sorrowful 1, Sorrowful 2, and Vengeful. (During my testing, I have only seen the starting point of Relaxed 2 twice.)
  
 
Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906
 
Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906
  
 
==Results!==
 
==Results!==
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'''The following six feelings are not represented in the Starting Points table.  They can only be created by adding flower petals to an incense'''
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'''The following six feelings are not represented in the Starting Points table.  They can only be created by adding flower petals to an incense.  SP = Starting Point'''
  
 
===Invigorating===
 
===Invigorating===
  
−
Melancholious Starting Point
+
Hopeful 1 SP
 +
+9 Energy Lily of the Sea Petals
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 
+1 Pantomime petal  
 
+1 Pantomime petal  
  
−
Melancholious Starting Point
+
Melancholious SP
 
+1 Pink Giant petal
 
+1 Pink Giant petal
 +
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+1 Night Bloom petal
 +
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+2 Onion Skin petals
 +
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+2 White Giant petals
 +
 +
Sorrowful 1 SP
 +
+15 Masquerade Orchid petals
  
 
===Joyous===
 
===Joyous===
  
−
Relaxed3 Starting point
+
Gentle SP
 +
+9 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals
 +
 
 +
Guilty SP
 +
+3 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals
 +
 
 +
Hopeful 1 SP
 +
+7 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed3 SP
 
+5 Pantomime petals
 
+5 Pantomime petals
  
−
Relaxed3 Starting Point
+
Relaxed3 SP
 
+5 Night Bloom Petals
 
+5 Night Bloom Petals
  
−
===Mischievious===
+
Sorrowful1 SP
 +
+3 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals
 +
 
 +
Sorrowful2 SP
 +
+5 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals
 +
 
 +
===Mischievous===
  
−
Melancholious Starting Point
+
Hopeful 1 SP
 +
+ 8 Energy Lily of the Sea petals
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 
+2 Pantomime Petals
 
+2 Pantomime Petals
  
−
Melancholious Starting Point
+
Melancholious SP
 
+2 Pink Giant Petals
 
+2 Pink Giant Petals
  
−
===Serene===
+
Melancholious SP
 +
+2 Night Bloom Petals
 +
 
 +
Sorrowful 1 SP
 +
+10 Masquerade Orchid petals
 +
 
 +
===Serene===  
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'''Can be made from all starting points'''
  
−
Giddy Starting Point
+
Gentle SP
 +
+5 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals
 +
 
 +
Giddy SP
 
+3 Pantomime Petals
 
+3 Pantomime Petals
  
−
Guilty Starting Point
+
Giddy SP
 +
+18 Pink Giant Petals
 +
 
 +
Guilty SP
 
+4 Goldenleaves Petals
 
+4 Goldenleaves Petals
  
−
Guilty Starting Point
+
Guilty SP
 +
+8 Night Bloom Petals
 +
 
 +
Guilty SP
 
+9 Pantomime Petals
 
+9 Pantomime Petals
  
−
Hopeful2 Starting Point
+
Hopeful1 SP
 +
+8 Pink Giant Petals
 +
 
 +
Hopeful 1 SP
 +
+ 2 Energy Lily of the Sea petals
 +
 
 +
Hopeful2 SP
 
+16 Pink Giant Petals
 
+16 Pink Giant Petals
  
−
Relaxed1 Starting Point
+
Melancholious SP
 +
+14 Night Bloom Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed1 SP
 +
+2 Onion Skin Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed1 SP
 
+4 Hatch's Bud Petals
 
+4 Hatch's Bud Petals
  
−
Relaxed3 Starting Point
+
Relaxed1 SP
 +
+3 Pantomime Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed1 SP
 +
+6 White Giant Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed2 SP
 +
+3 Pantomime Petals, Q peaks at +7
 +
 
 +
Relaxed2 SP
 +
+2 Night Bloom Petals, Q peaks at +5
 +
 
 +
Relaxed3 SP
 +
+3 Goldenleaves Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed3 SP
 +
+3 Onion Skin Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed3 SP
 
+8 Pantomime Petals
 
+8 Pantomime Petals
  
−
Sorrowful1 Starting Point
+
Relaxed3 SP
 +
+6 Night Bloom Petals
 +
 
 +
Sorrowful1 SP
 
+8 Pantomime Petals
 
+8 Pantomime Petals
 +
 +
Sorrowful1 SP
 +
+6 Night Bloom Petals
 +
 +
Sorrowful1 SP
 +
+4 Goldenleaves Petals
 +
 +
Sorrowful2 SP
 +
+12 Pink Giant Petals
 +
 +
Vengeful SP
 +
+4 Pink Giant Petals
 +
 +
Sorrowful2 SP
 +
+2 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals (+3 for higher Q)
  
 
===Suspicious===
 
===Suspicious===
  
−
Melancholious Starting Point
+
Melancholious SP
−
+4 Hatch's Bud Petals
+
+4 Hatch's Bud petals
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+3 Onion Skin petals
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+3 Red Dwarf petals
  
 
===Troubled===
 
===Troubled===
  
−
Gentle Starting Point
+
Gentle SP
 
+4 Pink Giant Petals
 
+4 Pink Giant Petals
  
−
Guilty Starting Point
+
Guilty SP
−
+ 7 Hatch's Bud Petals
+
+7 Hatch's Bud Petals
  
−
Guilty Starting Point
+
Guilty SP
 
+5 Red Dwarf Petals
 
+5 Red Dwarf Petals
  
−
Relaxed3 Starting Point
+
Melancholious SP
 +
+4 Onion Skin petals
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+5 Onion Skin petals gives +46 Q
 +
 
 +
Melancholious SP
 +
+9 White Giant Petals
 +
 
 +
Relaxed3 SP
 
+5 Red Dwarf Petals
 
+5 Red Dwarf Petals
  
−
Relaxed3 Starting Point
+
Relaxed3 SP
 
+7 Hatch's Bud Petals
 
+7 Hatch's Bud Petals
  
−
Sorrowful Starting Point
+
Sorrowful1 SP
 
+5 Hatch's Bud Petals
 
+5 Hatch's Bud Petals
  
−
==Researched Starting Points==
+
Sorrowful1 SP
 +
+4 Red Dwarf Petals
 +
 
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==Researched Starting Points: Roses of Ra==
 
The following combinations of starting points and flower petals have been researched.  On a few occasions, I have researched the same combination twice, and found the same results were produced.  I have not kept data on the optimal quality points, only the feelings produced.
 
The following combinations of starting points and flower petals have been researched.  On a few occasions, I have researched the same combination twice, and found the same results were produced.  I have not kept data on the optimal quality points, only the feelings produced.
  
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Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906
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'''Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals''': Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.<br>
 
'''Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals''': Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.<br>
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'''Feelings seen after adding flower petals''':  Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievious, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.<br>
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'''Additional feelings seen only after adding flower petals''':  Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievious, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.<br>
 +
 
 +
Hopeful 2 + OS:  SP-1 Hopeful, 2-20 Vengeful<br>
 +
Melancholious + GL: SP Melancholious, 1 Invigorating, 2-6 Sorrowful, 7-8 Serene, 9-20 Vengeful<br>
 +
Relaxed 2 + HB: SP Relaxed, 1-3 Sorrowful, 4-20 Giddy
 +
 
 +
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Hopeful 1 + OS:  Hopeful SP-2. Vengeful 3-20<br>
 
−
Guilty + RD:  SP, 1-4 Sorrowful, 5-6 Troubled, 7-20 Giddy<br>
 
−
Relaxed3 + NB:  SP-4 Relaxed, 5 Joy, 6-20 Serene<br>
 
−
Vengeful + WG:  SP-20 Vengeful<br>
 
−
 
  
 
|Petals Tested ---> <br>-----------------------<br>Starting Points
 
|Petals Tested ---> <br>-----------------------<br>Starting Points
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|'''Golden- leaves'''
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|'''GL Golden- leaves '''
−
|'''Hatch's Bud'''
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|'''HB Hatch's Bud'''
−
|'''Night Bloom'''
+
|'''NB Night Bloom'''
−
|'''Onion Skin'''
+
|'''OS Onion Skin '''
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|'''Panto- mime'''
+
|'''PA Panto- mime '''
−
|'''Pink Giant'''
+
|'''PG Pink Giant '''
−
|'''Red Dwarf'''
+
|'''RD Red Dwarf '''
−
|'''White Giant'''
+
|'''WG White Giant'''
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Gentle'''
 
|'''Gentle'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
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<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|
 
<!--White Giant-->|
 
|-
 
|-
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<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Hopeful 1'''
 
|'''Hopeful 1'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--White Giant-->|
+
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Hopeful 2'''
 
|'''Hopeful 2'''
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|
+
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
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|-
 
|-
 
|'''Melancholious'''
 
|'''Melancholious'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--White Giant-->|
+
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Relaxed 1'''
 
|'''Relaxed 1'''
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pantomime-->|
+
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--White Giant-->|
+
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Relaxed 2'''
 
|'''Relaxed 2'''
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
−
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|
+
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|
−
<!--Pantomime-->|
+
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|
 
<!--Pink Giant-->|
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
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|-
 
|-
 
|'''Relaxed 3'''
 
|'''Relaxed 3'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Sorrowful 1'''
 
|'''Sorrowful 1'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--White Giant-->|
+
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Sorrowful 2'''
 
|'''Sorrowful 2'''
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|
+
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Night Bloom-->|
+
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Onion Skin-->|
+
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pantomime-->|
+
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--White Giant-->|
+
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
|-
 
|-
 
|'''Vengeful'''
 
|'''Vengeful'''
−
<!--Goldenleaves-->|
+
<!--Goldenleaves-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Hatch's Bud-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Night Bloom-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--Onion Skin-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pantomime-->|
+
<!--Pantomime-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Pink Giant-->|
+
<!--Pink Giant-->|{{yes}}
−
<!--Red Dwarf-->|
+
<!--Red Dwarf-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 
<!--White Giant-->|{{yes}}
 +
|}
 +
<br>
 +
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==Researched Starting Points: Orchids==
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Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point.  Since only a few orchid types have been tested, their data is on the pages with the roses. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906
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 +
Hopeful 1 + SL: SP-6 Hopeful, 7-20 Joyous<br>
 +
Sorrowful 2 + SA: SP Sorrowful, 1-20 Giddy<br>
 +
Sorrowful 2 + MA:  SP-6 Sorrowful, 7-10 Mischievous, 11-20 Invigorating<br>
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|Petals Tested ---> <br>-----------------------<br>Starting Points
 +
|'''Serene Lagoon'''
 +
|'''Sabre- tooth'''
 +
|'''Masquerade '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|''' '''
 +
|-
 +
|'''Gentle'''
 +
<!--Serene Lagoon-->| {{yes}}
 +
<!--Sabretooth-->| {{yes}}
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
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 +
|-
 +
|'''Giddy'''
 +
<!--Serene Lagoon-->|
 +
<!--Sabretooth-->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
|-
 +
|'''Guilty'''
 +
<!--Serene Lagoon-->| {{yes}}
 +
<!--Sabretooth-->| {{yes}}
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
|-
 +
|'''Hopeful 1'''
 +
<!--Serene Lagoon-->| {{yes}}
 +
<!--Sabretooth-->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
|-
 +
|'''Hopeful 2'''
 +
<!--Serene Lagoon-->|
 +
<!--Sabretooth-->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
<!-- -->|
 +
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|'''Sorrowful 2'''
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==Researched Starting Points: Lilies of the Sea==
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Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906
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Hopeful 1 + EN: SP Hopeful, 1 Vengeful, 2 Serene, 3 Relaxed, 4-7 Sorrowful, 8 Mischievous, 9-11 Invigorating, 12-20 Melancholious<br>
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Sorrowful 2 + BL: SP Sorrowful, 1-20 Giddy<br>
  
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|Petals Tested ---> <br>-----------------------<br>Starting Points
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|'''Clarity'''
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|'''Crimson'''
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|'''Crown'''
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|'''Dusk'''
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|'''Energy'''
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|'''Fracture'''
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|'''Melancholious'''
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|'''Relaxed 2'''
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|'''Relaxed 3'''
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|'''Sorrowful 1'''
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|'''Sorrowful 2'''
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<!--Blush-->| {{yes}}
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|'''Vengeful'''
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Latest revision as of 09:23, 18 January 2018

Overview

My current project is incense research. For many tales, the wiki has noted that adding Petals of Ra to incense can change its feeling, yet I have not found anything more than that. Time to poke at it and see what comes out! At this time, I am only researching the changes from Rose petals. As I finish the University roses, I am testing Lilies of the Sea and a few Orchids. Petals can be harvested from all in-game flower types.

The feeling is affected by the flower petals added to the batch.
Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals: Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.
Feelings seen after adding flower petals: Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievous, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.
I am testing with the University roses: GL=Goldenleaves, HB=Hatch's Bud, NB=Night Bloom, OS=Onion Skin, PA=Pantomime, PG=Pink Giant, RD=Red Dwarf, WG=White Giant, and if released, BH=Blood Heart, DB=Dawn's Blush, and HD=Heart of Darkness. SP=Starting Point.

Here is my raw data. There's now way too much data to make it worth posting here. Hoping to find patterns and create a better way to show them. So far, adding petals seems to change the quality and sometimes the feeling.

Possible patterns:

  • I have seen some consistency in some of the feeling changes. I am working on a model that reflects these changes, perhaps a path or a circle to be traveled along.
  • Some feeling changes are rapid, and in some tests the feeling has not changed at all. No test has gone beyond adding 20 petals of the same rose.
  • The concept of starting points may be useful in predicting feeling changes.

The incense Starting Points table available through Maia's user page suggests multiple feeling types, which leads me to believe that at some point, somebody has done research on this. Her table lists starting points for: Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful 1, Hopeful 2, Melancholious, Relaxed 1, Relaxed 2, Relaxed 3, Sorrowful 1, Sorrowful 2, and Vengeful. (During my testing, I have only seen the starting point of Relaxed 2 twice.)

Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906

Results!

The following six feelings are not represented in the Starting Points table. They can only be created by adding flower petals to an incense. SP = Starting Point

Invigorating

Hopeful 1 SP +9 Energy Lily of the Sea Petals

Melancholious SP +1 Pantomime petal

Melancholious SP +1 Pink Giant petal

Melancholious SP +1 Night Bloom petal

Melancholious SP +2 Onion Skin petals

Melancholious SP +2 White Giant petals

Sorrowful 1 SP +15 Masquerade Orchid petals

Joyous

Gentle SP +9 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals

Guilty SP +3 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals

Hopeful 1 SP +7 Serene Lagoon Orchid petals

Relaxed3 SP +5 Pantomime petals

Relaxed3 SP +5 Night Bloom Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +3 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals

Sorrowful2 SP +5 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals

Mischievous

Hopeful 1 SP + 8 Energy Lily of the Sea petals

Melancholious SP +2 Pantomime Petals

Melancholious SP +2 Pink Giant Petals

Melancholious SP +2 Night Bloom Petals

Sorrowful 1 SP +10 Masquerade Orchid petals

Serene

Can be made from all starting points

Gentle SP +5 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals

Giddy SP +3 Pantomime Petals

Giddy SP +18 Pink Giant Petals

Guilty SP +4 Goldenleaves Petals

Guilty SP +8 Night Bloom Petals

Guilty SP +9 Pantomime Petals

Hopeful1 SP +8 Pink Giant Petals

Hopeful 1 SP + 2 Energy Lily of the Sea petals

Hopeful2 SP +16 Pink Giant Petals

Melancholious SP +14 Night Bloom Petals

Relaxed1 SP +2 Onion Skin Petals

Relaxed1 SP +4 Hatch's Bud Petals

Relaxed1 SP +3 Pantomime Petals

Relaxed1 SP +6 White Giant Petals

Relaxed2 SP +3 Pantomime Petals, Q peaks at +7

Relaxed2 SP +2 Night Bloom Petals, Q peaks at +5

Relaxed3 SP +3 Goldenleaves Petals

Relaxed3 SP +3 Onion Skin Petals

Relaxed3 SP +8 Pantomime Petals

Relaxed3 SP +6 Night Bloom Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +8 Pantomime Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +6 Night Bloom Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +4 Goldenleaves Petals

Sorrowful2 SP +12 Pink Giant Petals

Vengeful SP +4 Pink Giant Petals

Sorrowful2 SP +2 Serene Lagoon Orchid Petals (+3 for higher Q)

Suspicious

Melancholious SP +4 Hatch's Bud petals

Melancholious SP +3 Onion Skin petals

Melancholious SP +3 Red Dwarf petals

Troubled

Gentle SP +4 Pink Giant Petals

Guilty SP +7 Hatch's Bud Petals

Guilty SP +5 Red Dwarf Petals

Melancholious SP +4 Onion Skin petals

Melancholious SP +5 Onion Skin petals gives +46 Q

Melancholious SP +9 White Giant Petals

Relaxed3 SP +5 Red Dwarf Petals

Relaxed3 SP +7 Hatch's Bud Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +5 Hatch's Bud Petals

Sorrowful1 SP +4 Red Dwarf Petals

Researched Starting Points: Roses of Ra

The following combinations of starting points and flower petals have been researched. On a few occasions, I have researched the same combination twice, and found the same results were produced. I have not kept data on the optimal quality points, only the feelings produced.

Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906

Starting point feelings, available without adding flower petals: Gentle, Giddy, Guilty, Hopeful, Melancholious, Relaxed, Sorrowful, Vengeful.
Additional feelings seen only after adding flower petals: Invigorating, Joyous, Mischievious, Serene, Suspicious, Troubled.

Hopeful 2 + OS: SP-1 Hopeful, 2-20 Vengeful
Melancholious + GL: SP Melancholious, 1 Invigorating, 2-6 Sorrowful, 7-8 Serene, 9-20 Vengeful
Relaxed 2 + HB: SP Relaxed, 1-3 Sorrowful, 4-20 Giddy

Petals Tested --->
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Starting Points 		GL Golden- leaves HB Hatch's Bud NB Night Bloom OS Onion Skin PA Panto- mime PG Pink Giant RD Red Dwarf WG White Giant
Gentle Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Giddy Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Guilty Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Hopeful 1 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Hopeful 2 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Melancholious Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Relaxed 1 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Relaxed 2 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Relaxed 3 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Sorrowful 1 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Sorrowful 2 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Vengeful Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png


Researched Starting Points: Orchids

Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. Since only a few orchid types have been tested, their data is on the pages with the roses. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906

Hopeful 1 + SL: SP-6 Hopeful, 7-20 Joyous
Sorrowful 2 + SA: SP Sorrowful, 1-20 Giddy
Sorrowful 2 + MA: SP-6 Sorrowful, 7-10 Mischievous, 11-20 Invigorating

Petals Tested --->
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Starting Points 		Serene Lagoon Sabre- tooth Masquerade
Gentle Green tick.png Green tick.png
Giddy
Guilty Green tick.png Green tick.png
Hopeful 1 Green tick.png
Hopeful 2
Melancholious
Relaxed 1
Relaxed 2
Relaxed 3
Sorrowful 1 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Sorrowful 2 Green tick.png Green tick.png Green tick.png
Vengeful


Researched Starting Points: Lilies of the Sea

Data below has been placed on a Google Sheet, arranged by starting point. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mWDHQ8S_nsslxLSS4COkY8InkdSaJcYibpmC7_43i4I/edit#gid=1452045906


Hopeful 1 + EN: SP Hopeful, 1 Vengeful, 2 Serene, 3 Relaxed, 4-7 Sorrowful, 8 Mischievous, 9-11 Invigorating, 12-20 Melancholious
Sorrowful 2 + BL: SP Sorrowful, 1-20 Giddy

Petals Tested --->
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Starting Points 		Blush Clarity Crimson Crown Dusk Energy Fracture Morning Silken Vampire
Gentle
Giddy
Guilty Green tick.png
Hopeful 1 Green tick.png
Hopeful 2
Melancholious
Relaxed 1
Relaxed 2
Relaxed 3
Sorrowful 1 Green tick.png
Sorrowful 2 Green tick.png Green tick.png
Vengeful Green tick.png


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