Guilds/Stranger Science/Transmutation

thestranger: Your body convulses. Drink some cabbage juice within the next 20 days, or you will DIE. Eugenius: I am doing my best to help. thestranger: Cabbage juice should keep me going for a while thestranger: When talking about balance, each object has a certian weight and is made up of these elements thestranger: To turn lead into gold you would need to know the elemental weight of lead and gold, then you could transmutate lead into gold with the right mixture Kavad: lead has an atomic weight of 207.2 and gold has an atomic weight of 196.966 Kavad: gold is atomic number 79 and lead is atomic number 82 Kavad: So perhaps the difference of ~10 in weight, or difference of 3 in number, is significant thestranger: yes lead is heavier than gold Kavad: I should start using [OOC] tags, lol, since this room is now for direct stranger communications and hypothesizing Eugenius: I am attempting to balance the ingredients needed for tincture. But alas to no success Kavad: Stranger, when you say "these elements" do you mean the ones you ahve referred to before, Sun, Moon, Stars; Ra, Life, Air, Fire, Water, Earth, Gray or do you mean the periodic elements? Kavad: [OOC] Eugenius... based on atomic numbers you might try something with lead and lithium (lead is 82, lithium is 3. 82 - 3 = 79 which is gold) thestranger: There are only 4 elements, Fire, air, water, earth thestranger: -2,-1,1,2 thestranger: maybe? thestranger: Sun, moon, and stars are made up of these 4 elements thestranger: the spirits are the water element thestranger: that I am sure of thestranger: so maybe -2 -1 0 -1 Kavad: I see, thank you for the clarification and detail. I am not very learned in alchemy myself, hopefully Eugenius has some ideas about what to do with this knowledge thestranger: but maybe these "atomic numbers" might have something to do with it Kavad: I see these kinds of numbers, and spirits are used in essences Eugenius: Most components seem to be non reactive. Eugenius: So I am at a loss to find which compenents are reactive with the others Eugenius: Meaning water, aluminum, honey, and another component produces zero results Eugenius: potash was the other element I think Kavad: Could it be something related to essences Eugenius? Essences can use salts of gold and salts of lead, they use spirits of fire, air, water, earth, and they have properties that all range between -3 and 3 much like his 2 sequences there Eugenius: To my knowledge though, it is ore that in used.. not salts of said ore Kavad: [OOC] The wiki refers to salts in http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: Also a lot of herbs are used in essences, I wonder if they correlate to the herbs the stranger requested Eugenius: lets assume for a few minutes that spirits is water and fire is ore Eugenius: err.. earth Kavad: Ok Kavad: (Shrubby Basil is used in an essense with properties listed as 0, 2, -1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 3; which has one of his 2 sequences in it) Eugenius: oh oh.. I see a potential problem Eugenius: All numbers are equal except for 0 and -2 Eugenius: oops 0 and 2 Eugenius: Nevermind, I am confusing myself Kavad: In an essence you can have -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 for values, but none of them can repeat except 0. So his second sequence -2, -1, 0, -1 actually can't be related to an essence I guess Kavad: Do you have any clue what other system those might relate to? thestranger: my numbers are just hypothisizing thestranger: -2 for fire as it floats -1 for air as it floats 0 for water as it does not and 1 for earth as it falls thestranger: the season has changed Sedjet: ah, drat. See what happens when I go to feed children? :) thestranger: who did you feed the children to? Eugenius: I haven't had a chance to grow wheat for I am testing some theories on balance. Sedjet: About that... ;) Sedjet: Thankfully for them they haven't gotten old enough or ornery enough for me to think of feeding them -to- someone yet. thestranger: Your body convulses. Drink some cabbage juice within the next 20 days, or you will DIE. Eugenius: I am doing my best to help. thestranger: Cabbage juice should keep me going for a while thestranger: When talking about balance, each object has a certian weight and is made up of these elements thestranger: To turn lead into gold you would need to know the elemental weight of lead and gold, then you could transmutate lead into gold with the right mixture Kavad: lead has an atomic weight of 207.2 and gold has an atomic weight of 196.966 Kavad: gold is atomic number 79 and lead is atomic number 82 Kavad: So perhaps the difference of ~10 in weight, or difference of 3 in number, is significant thestranger: yes lead is heavier than gold Kavad: I should start using [OOC] tags, lol, since this room is now for direct stranger communications and hypothesizing Eugenius: I am attempting to balance the ingredients needed for tincture. But alas to no success Kavad: Stranger, when you say "these elements" do you mean the ones you ahve referred to before, Sun, Moon, Stars; Ra, Life, Air, Fire, Water, Earth, Gray or do you mean the periodic elements? Kavad: [OOC] Eugenius... based on atomic numbers you might try something with lead and lithium (lead is 82, lithium is 3. 82 - 3 = 79 which is gold) thestranger: There are only 4 elements, Fire, air, water, earth thestranger: -2,-1,1,2 thestranger: maybe? thestranger: Sun, moon, and stars are made up of these 4 elements thestranger: the spirits are the water element thestranger: that I am sure of thestranger: so maybe -2 -1 0 -1 Kavad: I see, thank you for the clarification and detail. I am not very learned in alchemy myself, hopefully Eugenius has some ideas about what to do with this knowledge thestranger: but maybe these "atomic numbers" might have something to do with it Kavad: I see these kinds of numbers, and spirits are used in essences Eugenius: Most components seem to be non reactive. Eugenius: So I am at a loss to find which compenents are reactive with the others Eugenius: Meaning water, aluminum, honey, and another component produces zero results Eugenius: potash was the other element I think Kavad: Could it be something related to essences Eugenius? Essences can use salts of gold and salts of lead, they use spirits of fire, air, water, earth, and they have properties that all range between -3 and 3 much like his 2 sequences there Eugenius: To my knowledge though, it is ore that in used.. not salts of said ore Kavad: [OOC] The wiki refers to salts in http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: Also a lot of herbs are used in essences, I wonder if they correlate to the herbs the stranger requested Eugenius: lets assume for a few minutes that spirits is water and fire is ore Eugenius: err.. earth Kavad: Ok Kavad: (Shrubby Basil is used in an essense with properties listed as 0, 2, -1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 3; which has one of his 2 sequences in it) Eugenius: oh oh.. I see a potential problem Eugenius: All numbers are equal except for 0 and -2 Eugenius: oops 0 and 2 Eugenius: Nevermind, I am confusing myself Kavad: In an essence you can have -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 for values, but none of them can repeat except 0. So his second sequence -2, -1, 0, -1 actually can't be related to an essence I guess Kavad: Do you have any clue what other system those might relate to? thestranger: my numbers are just hypothisizing thestranger: -2 for fire as it floats -1 for air as it floats 0 for water as it does not and 1 for earth as it falls Kavad: Ahhhhhh ok ok Kavad: So then perhaps lead (82) mixed with fire (-2) and air (-1) will get us to gold (79) Kavad: And we can use water (0) if we need more volume or something Eugenius: Water is set to 7 per batch Kavad: I'm still pretty lost though, lol. Is any of this making any sense to you Eugenius? Kavad: oh so 7 water and 3 air would be a total of -3? Eugenius: Yes.. as I understand it Kavad: Can you mix that with lead somehow? Eugenius: Assuming lead is represented as earth thestranger: The balance of mixtures will end up something like -9Qr1 Eugenius: 7 spirits plus 1 earth (star) we now need 1 fire and 2 air Eugenius: just hypothesising Eugenius: and for every star, the fire and air would rise accordling to make it stronger Eugenius: Unless I have missed something Kavad: Seems like it's narrowed things down quite a bit then? Eugenius: If use of a wacky table is correct and we are trying to make gold out of lead... yes.. I do believe we are extremely close. Eugenius: Unless.....we are missing a piece of equipment to get some answers Sedjet: Do y'all need anything from me? I've got company coming so I'm on for a bit (and running out of SE) but if I can help in any way, let me know? I have some theories brewing about what the gold could be used for, but I'm resource low. Whatever I can help with I will though Sedjet: I have more herbs thestranger: There are only 4 elements, Fire, air, water, earth thestranger: -2,-1,1,2 thestranger: maybe? thestranger: Sun, moon, and stars are made up of these 4 elements thestranger: the spirits are the water element thestranger: that I am sure of thestranger: so maybe -2 -1 0 -1 Kavad: I see, thank you for the clarification and detail. I am not very learned in alchemy myself, hopefully Eugenius has some ideas about what to do with this knowledge thestranger: but maybe these "atomic numbers" might have something to do with it Kavad: I see these kinds of numbers, and spirits are used in essences Eugenius: Most components seem to be non reactive. Eugenius: So I am at a loss to find which compenents are reactive with the others Eugenius: Meaning water, aluminum, honey, and another component produces zero results Eugenius: potash was the other element I think Kavad: Could it be something related to essences Eugenius? Essences can use salts of gold and salts of lead, they use spirits of fire, air, water, earth, and they have properties that all range between -3 and 3 much like his 2 sequences there Eugenius: To my knowledge though, it is ore that in used.. not salts of said ore Kavad: [OOC] The wiki refers to salts in http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale7/Essences Kavad: Also a lot of herbs are used in essences, I wonder if they correlate to the herbs the stranger requested Eugenius: lets assume for a few minutes that spirits is water and fire is ore Eugenius: err.. earth Kavad: Ok Kavad: (Shrubby Basil is used in an essense with properties listed as 0, 2, -1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 3; which has one of his 2 sequences in it) Eugenius: oh oh.. I see a potential problem Eugenius: All numbers are equal except for 0 and -2 Eugenius: oops 0 and 2 Eugenius: Nevermind, I am confusing myself Kavad: In an essence you can have -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 for values, but none of them can repeat except 0. So his second sequence -2, -1, 0, -1 actually can't be related to an essence I guess Kavad: Do you have any clue what other system those might relate to? thestranger: my numbers are just hypothisizing thestranger: -2 for fire as it floats -1 for air as it floats 0 for water as it does not and 1 for earth as it falls Kavad: Ahhhhhh ok ok Kavad: So then perhaps lead (82) mixed with fire (-2) and air (-1) will get us to gold (79) Kavad: And we can use water (0) if we need more volume or something Eugenius: Water is set to 7 per batch Kavad: I'm still pretty lost though, lol. Is any of this making any sense to you Eugenius? Kavad: oh so 7 water and 3 air would be a total of -3? Eugenius: Yes.. as I understand it Kavad: Can you mix that with lead somehow? Eugenius: Assuming lead is represented as earth thestranger: The balance of mixtures will end up something like -9Qr1 Eugenius: 7 spirits plus 1 earth (star) we now need 1 fire and 2 air Eugenius: just hypothesising Eugenius: and for every star, the fire and air would rise accordling to make it stronger Eugenius: Unless I have missed something Kavad: Seems like it's narrowed things down quite a bit then? Eugenius: If use of a wacky table is correct and we are trying to make gold out of lead... yes.. I do believe we are extremely close. Eugenius: Unless.....we are missing a piece of equipment to get some answers