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Kingmaker Rank 3 12/29/2009 In Progress

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Kingmaker Rank 3 12/29/2009 Log 1

Demi-Pharaoh Rank 2. Welcome peabody, zaxaz, Reyzer, ShuoftheFieryHeat, Luckie, tanisboy4, BlueGrass. In the next 3 days you must nominate one to be Demi-Pharaoh. More information can be found at voting booths. zaxaz: anybody care to tell me why I should vote for them? zaxaz: hi luckie, how have you been? Reyzer: ooh new tab zaxaz: hiya Reyzer: hi there, hows it going? zaxaz: going good, hunting mushies Reyzer: ugh Reyzer: I'm stuck on beehives zaxaz: sorry to hear that zaxaz: there was some recent sightings on shroomdar Reyzer: lol yea zaxaz: they're pretty random, huh? Reyzer: malevolent mushrooms :P Reyzer: as random as random can be zaxaz: probably if you plotted all the BH sightings, it's spell out teppy's name Reyzer: hehe Reyzer: or maybe just spell "suckers" zaxaz: with a :P Reyzer: lol zaxaz: that's the best part of this channel, everyone that want's my vote always laughs at my jokes Reyzer: does the mirth get more sycophantic as the round draws to a close? zaxaz: we'll see Reyzer: no excuse for bad jokes though zaxaz: I don't have much chance of winning, but I do like to see my candidates jump through hoops Reyzer: I guess some like to pucker up zaxaz: I'm just kidding of course zaxaz hides the flaming hoop behind his back Reyzer: ;) Reyzer: load of brain shrooms in adn if that's what you're after zaxaz: I saw those this earlier today zaxaz: I'm looking for HvT PoT 2 days 23 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 21 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 20 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. BlueGrass: Hi there Everyone. Just letting you know that I'm running for DP again this round and would like your support. Please have a look at my DP page and if you have any questions please feel free to ask me. Thank-you for your support. BlueGrass: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:BlueGrass/DP 2 days 19 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 18 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 17 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 16 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. Reyzer: Afternoon 2 days 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 14 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 13 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 12 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. ShuoftheFieryHeat: hello everyone - I hope everyone is having a good holiday ShuoftheFieryHeat: I would like to introduce Shu to those of you who do not know him ShuoftheFieryHeat: I've played since T3 and at the start of T4 established Freebee House (now dormant) ShuoftheFieryHeat: during T4 I've become more interested in the DP process and elections and now actively seek to move on to the next round ShuoftheFieryHeat: I'm sure there will be some interesting dynamics in this round as candidates vie for votes and position - I have created a chat log page to help us track the conversations even if we are in different time zones ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs 2 days 11 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 10 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 9 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. tanisboy4: hello everyone tanisboy4: I would like to go forward in this race so give u someone else to vote for then Shu :o) tanisboy4: would be nice for a poor boy to become king....dont u think BlueGrass: rofl sounds good 2 days 8 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 7 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 6 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 5 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 4 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all ShuoftheFieryHeat: tanisboy4 tell me more about yourself and why you want to be DP? ShuoftheFieryHeat: DP is not Pharaoh - that spot is taken :) but DP is a powerful position ShuoftheFieryHeat: what would you do if you became DP and how would you use the ban? 2 days 3 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 2 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days 1 hour left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 2 days left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 23 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 21 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 20 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 19 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 18 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 17 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 16 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 14 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 13 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 12 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. ShuoftheFieryHeat: As DP mediation is one aspect which can be complicated by cultural differences. Sometimes these differences are large (like a swastika CP) and sometimes they are small but create tension in the game. ShuoftheFieryHeat: When I first met BlueGrass I did not know he was from South Africa. ShuoftheFieryHeat: In the USA the word "bluegrass" has 2 specific meanings: ShuoftheFieryHeat: 1) it is a type of traditional music - noted for its harmonies and played on traditional instruments (guitar, fiddle, mandolin, banjo, bass) ShuoftheFieryHeat: 2) it is a type of grass. This grass is known to almost everyone who knows about horses. This grass grows in the State of Kentucy where the best race horses are raised. The horses that grow up eating this grass are some of the best race horses in the world. Kentucy is often refered to as The Bluegrass state. The latin name for this grass is: poa pratensis ShuoftheFieryHeat: When I first chatted with BlueGrass I thought he knew about both of these items since the name BlueGrass has a special meaning here. I refered to him as: poa pratensis. It was not until later that I found out that he was not from the USA and that he might not have realized that the title was a friendly one. ShuoftheFieryHeat: I would like to know how people would handle such a misunderstanding? And perhaps BlueGrass would be good enough to explain what his name means to someone in South Africa? ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs#Log_1 ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/User:Shuofthefieryheat/MyPassagesPage/Kingmaker_Details/DP_Chat_Logs ShuoftheFieryHeat: (better linkage :) ) Reyzer: Well, I'm from that part of the world and I'm not sure either hehe. Maybe it is a personal nickname and that is his perogative to use as he sees fit :) Reyzer: Unless a name, and we have had a few, is blatently rude to the majority of folks, I don't see a problem ShuoftheFieryHeat: oh there is no problem with the name - I just thought it might have a special meaning to him - which I would like to know about - I am not likely to be traveling to africa anytime soon so if it has a special meaning it would be nice to know about ShuoftheFieryHeat: in another round there was a discussion that names mean something different to different cultures ShuoftheFieryHeat: in that case the name used by one player was an honorific to someone from their history ShuoftheFieryHeat: but to another player that historical name was not associated with "good things" and that historical person was not considered "honorable" ShuoftheFieryHeat: I was aware of the historical person (not my culture) but I was not aware that to another culture that person was not considered a "good person" Reyzer: I suppose names can be so varied, and the origins of it diverse enough to not sit well with absolutely everyone

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Kingmaker Rank 3 12/29/2009 Log 2

BlueGrass: from deep dark africa tanisboy4: u know Texas T and all that tanisboy4: so can i talk you into votin for poor boy to make king of all egypt Reyzer: no harm in trying tanisboy4: poorboy make good tanisboy4: i could trade my had wrap for a crown tanisboy4: sounds good dont u think tanisboy4: i think at some point i was in major cart reck tanisboy4: cause i have to ware these bandages on my head BlueGrass: hehe Reyzer: chariot airbags tanisboy4: that darn donkey tanisboy4: maybe it kicked me must of been really bad cause i dont remember tanisboy4: here is my pitch tanisboy4: make me king of all egypt, i do nothing expect nothing of you and we all can be happy tanisboy4: i live in a tent tanisboy4: adn have no shirt, but got great 6 pac BlueGrass: wouldn't like to live in a palace? tanisboy4: and i think if i move wrong my skirt will fall off tanisboy4: heck yea, kings live in big house and have crowns tanisboy4: kk be back later BlueGrass: enjoy Reyzer: BG what's the broadband situation like now, Telkom still shafting everyone? BlueGrass: Yes but we have a new Operator that has helped BlueGrass: and we also have a wireless contion - iBurst that I use which is okay for now but we are still far behind the rest of the world Reyzer: yea BlueGrass: contion? = company Reyzer: needs a lot more competition to bring up service and lower prices Reyzer: and pray that eskom keep the power on ;) BlueGrass: rofl BlueGrass: the best is when you just sit down to do a festival and the power goes down for 1 hour then when you log back in you just miss the festival Reyzer: >.< BlueGrass: we have very bad service here - I realy don't know how we are going to handle the world cup next year Reyzer: Yea, that's going to raise a few eyebrows BlueGrass: They have been upgrading our roads around the main cities and now they are say they aren't going to be ready for the world cup so all our roads are going to be in bad shape BlueGrass: Have you been to South Africa Reyzer? Reyzer: Born in Zim, grew up in Swazi :) BlueGrass: cool BlueGrass: Swazi is a lovly little country Reyzer: Worked in Durbs for a while and also up by Namibian border Reyzer: yea Swazi is great BlueGrass: Nice - where do you live now? Reyzer: In UK atm BlueGrass: its great to talk to someone that uses the SA slang Reyzer: hehe Reyzer: eish! BlueGrass: and shame! Reyzer: lol 1 day 8 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 7 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 6 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 5 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 4 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 3 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 2 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 1 day 1 hour left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. zaxaz: is there any consenous yet as to whom I should vote for? zaxaz: or do I need to do my own investigation tanisboy4: I want to be king of egypt u can vote for me :o) zaxaz: you belong to no guilds, does no one trust you, or do you simply not fit? tanisboy4: my platform, i will do nothing nor ask for anything tanisboy4: i i live in a tent zaxaz: then be content to be king of your tent tanisboy4: i want a crown and be king of egypt zaxaz: if all you desire is a crown, fashion one from straw 1 day left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 23 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 22 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 21 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 20 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 19 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 18 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. 17 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. tanisboy4 voted for BlueGrass as Demi-Pharaoh. tanisboy4: since no one wants to make me king, i will vote for bluegrass tanisboy4: Shu was so rude to a friend of min in the pirate test that my friend quit the game, I dont think he should be a dp. tanisboy4: and Bluegrass I do know helps people alot around egypt he would make a much better dp (king) 16 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. tanisboy4: good luck zaxaz voted for BlueGrass as Demi-Pharaoh. zaxaz: BlueGrass seems to be the best prepared to be DP so he get's my vote. Good luck! 15 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. Reyzer: hmm a friend of tanisboy4 quit because of pirates test Reyzer: should have stuck around for cartouche zaxaz: can't be too thin skinned for some of these tests :) ShuoftheFieryHeat: hi all ShuoftheFieryHeat: just a clarification: Shu is not and has never been in the PIRATE test - I dont know who was rude to tanisboy4's friend but it was not me ShuoftheFieryHeat: so - I hope that gets clarified to all zaxaz: that's ok, it didn't really influence my vote ShuoftheFieryHeat: :) zaxaz: heh, a good DP can be rude in the correct circumstance ShuoftheFieryHeat: yes but rude doesnt solve many problems :) zaxaz: a lot of people confuse honesty for rudness ShuoftheFieryHeat: nods ShuoftheFieryHeat: shu is going to vote for Reyzer - BG has already lost 2x in DP finals - I think he will not win a 3d time ShuoftheFieryHeat voted for Reyzer as Demi-Pharaoh. Reyzer: yep, and accusations by an alt without proof requires a large pich of salt :) ShuoftheFieryHeat: I am willing to move my vote - but it is a holiday and I dont know if I will be back on b4 the end of round Reyzer: Thank you Shu zaxaz: perhaps third time's a charm. Reyzer: Well, Jodpar tried about 10 times in T2 or 3 before finally succeeding hehe ShuoftheFieryHeat: perhaps but also perhaps its best to give it a rest for a round - hes been in the finals 2x in a row - I think it would be best if we put someone else up this round - BG would have a better chance in the next round 14 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. zaxaz: I believe BG is the only candidate that has an explaination of his DP philosophy on the wiki. That is the main reason behind my vote zaxaz: I'd rather vote on what I know about a candidate than vote for someone that has a better chance of winning Reyzer: Would be nice if more thought that way instead of being driven by Kingmaker ShuoftheFieryHeat: http://www.atitd.org/wiki/tale4/Demi-Pharaoh#DP_Ban_Topics_to_Consider ShuoftheFieryHeat: this page has loads of stuff to think about - we never really got a chance to chat about any of it ShuoftheFieryHeat: I did miss some of the chat about cultural differences in names (bluegrass in US vs bluegrass in SAfrica) - scrolled off zaxaz: I've read that page, last dp roun we had quite a debate before I voted for orrin Reyzer: I read that a couple of days ago. You do have some valid concers there Reyzer: concerns* BlueGrass: Thank-you Zaxaz and Tabisboy4 for your votes. I hope I can live up to your expectations BlueGrass: Yes I've been in the last 2 round for the last two time but you have to look who I came up agains in those Rounds, Kuupid and Orrin Reyzer: Well, against Orrin you were blindsided by a certain issue, which I thought was a bit malevolent ShuoftheFieryHeat: Shu agrees on the Orrin vote problem - my personal preference was not that zaxaz: yes, I was somewhat rueful about voting orrin in the penultimate round zaxaz: unfortunately the only thing we have to go on is an assessment of a persons knowledge, and not their character Reyzer: I think character can be assessed to a point. We have had DP's, especially in T1, that have had such forceful characters as to bulldoze their way to the top zaxaz: but I'm a noob, I only have hearsay and my limited exposure Reyzer: True ShuoftheFieryHeat: in T3 we had a DP that deliberately blew up another players CPs and actually targeted a friend fo the player so the stuff that got blown up wasnt even the person they had a beef with ShuoftheFieryHeat: there was no doubt - the DP left detailed info on the wiki about what and why - and since I can read french I knew for myself about what was written zaxaz: I heard all about that incident in the last DP round I was in Reyzer: Not to mention the countless DP's who go awol after winning ;) ShuoftheFieryHeat: DPs are people too - they are not Pharaoh but they can be helpful or hurtful - its always hard to say ShuoftheFieryHeat: personally I prefer to think of DPs as helpful - I dont think anyone really gets there on a free-pass Reyzer: Boredom plays a part too. Lat tale it got to the stage of the game actually receeding. I guess some give in to the temptation of impulse and 'stirring things up' ShuoftheFieryHeat: lol - well some code-stir-up would have helped <G> Reyzer: lol Reyzer: I do think we need both ends of the spectrum to keep the game from becomming staid and predictable zaxaz hopes for an earthquake so he can rebuild his cp with a better layout Reyzer: If Pharaoh won't cause chaos then someone else will fill the void :P ShuoftheFieryHeat: well actually Pharaoh causes all sort of chaos - look at all the leadership tests - pirates - cartouche - kingmaker <== all loads of drama ShuoftheFieryHeat: and then it spills over onto E! == popcorn time!! <LOL> zaxaz: lol zaxaz: it's always fun to read about other peoples drama Reyzer: hehe ShuoftheFieryHeat: actually DP is a very very interesting test - Q: can anyone refrain from using (absolute) power for long? ShuoftheFieryHeat: Q2: are people willing to grant (absolute) power to another? ShuoftheFieryHeat: (in DP someone is going to be DP - there are no absentions - so none-of-the-above doesnt work) zaxaz: the game grants absolute power, the people only choose who will get it ShuoftheFieryHeat: so Teppy forces Egypt to accept DPs (even if you never vote) Reyzer: The track-record suggests bannings to be few and far between, that is, until the end of tales when folks request it to get their name in lights zaxaz: too social of a crowd here... zaxaz: which is why most of my pirate crews distribute evenly Reyzer: yea, not like a DP round to have convo's in it ;) zaxaz: need a few jokers in the deck to liven things up ShuoftheFieryHeat: at the end of T3 Teppy suggested that we try a game where there was zero personal property - anyone could take anything - all chests where open and all items on your person where open > Egypt HOWLED louder than the werewolves <G> Reyzer: Didn't you say earlier that jokes were your thing? :) Reyzer: hehe Shu, people want stuff! ShuoftheFieryHeat: I guess he missed Richter? <g> Reyzer: hence the constant reviews of DPPRA laws Reyzer: Richter....lol zaxaz: it might be nice if personal property wasn't so strictly enforced zaxaz: i.e., you had to lock your cp to prevent access zaxaz: having some level of advantage for anti-social behavior might bring some would-be misanthrops out of the woodwork Reyzer: the forgetful ones would have a bugger of a time zaxaz: think of the drama that surrounds pappy stealing zaxaz: which is just a small element of egypt life Reyzer: I think DP's should only be allowed to ban a 'marked' player by actually clicking them. The 'mark' would not be able to log out or use nav BlueGrass: I sorry not to be chatting to much at the moment but its almost New year here and fireworks are been let off so I'm comfortiing my dogs Reyzer: Could lead to some interesting chases zaxaz: that would come close to allowing personal violence 13 hours left in this Demi-Pharaoh round. zaxaz: not that I'm 100 percent against personal violence as a factor, but there are so many places I can go to get all that out of my system, it's nice to come back to egypt and not have to worry about it zaxaz will now have nightmares about being chased by a DP Reyzer: hehe zaxaz: happy new year everyone, see you in the next year! ShuoftheFieryHeat: happy new year to you too zaxaz Reyzer: have a good one ShuoftheFieryHeat: im off for now - will try to check in before the end of round - happy new year all

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