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! Taste Category<br>(Tier 1) !! Primary Tastes<br>(Tier 2) !! Secondary Tastes<br>(Tier 3) !! Vintage !! Notes
 
! Taste Category<br>(Tier 1) !! Primary Tastes<br>(Tier 2) !! Secondary Tastes<br>(Tier 3) !! Vintage !! Notes
 
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| rowspan=4|Carmelization || rowspan=4|Carmelization ||  Butter  ||align="right"| 0 ||
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<!-- ******* CARMELIZATION ******* -->
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|rowspan="4"| Carmelization
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|rowspan="4"| Carmelization  
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| Butter  ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Molasses ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
| Molasses ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| Soy Sauce ||align="right"|  2 ||  
 
| Soy Sauce ||align="right"|  2 ||  
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<!-- ******* CHEMICALS ******* -->
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|rowspan="15"|Chemicals
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|rowspan="2"| Odd Chemicals
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| Fish ||align="right"| 4 ||
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| Soap ||align="right"| 7 ||
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|rowspan="1"| Paper
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| Filter Pads ||align="right"| 7 ||
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|rowspan="3"| Petroleum
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| Tar ||align="right"| 1 || See (3) below
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| Kerosene ||align="right"| 8 ||
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| Diesel ||align="right"| 9 or 10 ||
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|rowspan="4"| Pungency
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| Ethanol ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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|rowspan="8"|Chemicals || Sharp Sulfur? || Acetic Acid ||align="right"| 3 || See (1) below.
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| Sharp Sulfur ||align="right"| 1 (or 3?) || See (5) below.
 
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|rowspan="2"| Pungency || Ethanol ||align="right"| 0 ||
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| Acetic Acid ||align="right"| 3 || See (1) below.
 
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| Ethyl Acetate ||align="right"| 5 ||
 
| Ethyl Acetate ||align="right"| 5 ||
 
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| Odd Chemicals || Fish ||align="right"| 4 ||
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| rowspan="5"|Sulfur  
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| Wet Wool ||align="right"| 4 || See (2) below
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| rowspan="3"|Sulfur || Wet Wool ||align="right"| 4 || See (2) below
 
 
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| Burnt Matches ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
| Burnt Matches ||align="right"| 6 ||
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| Skunk ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
| Skunk ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
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| Tar || Petroleum ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| Cabbage ||align="right"| 7 ||
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| Hydrogen Sulfide ||align="right"| 8 ||
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<!-- ******* EARTHYNESS ******* -->
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|rowspan="3"| Earthyness
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|rowspan="2"| Earthyness
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| Mushrooms ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| Dust ||align="right"| 4 ||
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|rowspan="1"| Moldyness
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| Mildew ||align="right"| 14 ||
 
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| Earthyness || Earthyness || Mushrooms ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| rowspan=3|Floral Notes || rowspan=3|Floral Notes || Orange Blossoms ||align="right"| 0 ||
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<!-- ******* FLORAL NOTES ******* -->
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|rowspan="4"| Floral Notes  
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|rowspan="4"| Floral Notes  
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| Orange Blossoms ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Linalool ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
| Linalool ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| Roses ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
| Roses ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
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| rowspan=9|Fruit || Berries || Raspberry ||align="right"| 0 ||  
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| Geraniums || align="right"| 3 || See (4) below
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<!-- ******* FRUIT ******* -->
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|rowspan="11"| Fruit  
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|rowspan="2"| Berries  
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| Raspberry ||align="right"| 0 ||  
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| Cassis ||align="right"| 6 || See (2) below
 
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|rowspan="2"|Dried Fruit || Raisin ||align="right"| 5 ||
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|rowspan="2"| Dried Fruit  
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| Raisin ||align="right"| 5 ||
 
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| Strawberry Jam ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
| Strawberry Jam ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
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| rowspan=4|Tree Fruit || Cherry ||align="right"| 0 ||
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|rowspan="1"| Odd Fruit
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| Artificial Fruit ||align="right"| 7 ||
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|rowspan="4"| Tree Fruit  
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| Cherry ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Peach ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
| Peach ||align="right"| 0 ||
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| Apple ||align="right"| 3 ||
 
| Apple ||align="right"| 3 ||
 
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| rowspan="2"|Tropical Fruit || Banana ||align="right"| 0 ||
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|rowspan="2"| Tropical Fruit  
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| Banana ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Pineapple ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
| Pineapple ||align="right"| 1 ||
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| rowspan=4 |Microbiological Smells  
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<!-- ******* MICROBIOLOGICAL SMELLS ******* -->
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| rowspan="2"| Animal Smells || Horsey Smells ||align="right"| 4 |||| Mousey Smells ||align="right"| 4 ||
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|rowspan="5" |Microbiological Smells  
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|rowspan="2"| Animal Smells  
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| Horsey Smells ||align="right"| 4 ||
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| Mousey Smells ||align="right"| 7 ||
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|rowspan="1"| Lactic Acid
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| Saurkraut ||align="right"| 4 || Tier 2 confirmed
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|rowspan="1"| Yeast
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| Leesy ||align="right"| 2 ||
 
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| Yeast || Leesy ||align="right"| 2 ||
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|rowspan="1"| Buteric Acid
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| ? ||align="right"| 0 or 1 || Unsure if 2nd or 3rd Tier
 
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| Lactic Acid || Saurkraut ||align="right"| 4 || See (2) below
 
 
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| rowspan=2|Nuttiness || rowspan=2|Nuttiness ||Almond ||align="right"| 0 ||
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<!-- ******* NUTTINESS ******* -->
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|rowspan="3"| Nuttiness
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|rowspan="3"| Nuttiness  
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| Almond ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Hazelnut ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
| Hazelnut ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| rowspan=2|Pungency || Coolness || Menthol ||align="right"| 0  ||  
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| Walnut ||align="right"| 4 || On Flavor Listing page so added here
 
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| Heat || Hot Alcohol || align="right"| 0 ||
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<!-- ******* OXIDATION ******* -->
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|rowspan="1"| Oxidation
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|rowspan="1"| Oxidation
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| Acetaldehyde ||align="right"| 9  ||  
 
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| rowspan=7|Vegetables || rowspan=3|Cooked Notes || Asparagus||align="right"| 1 ||  
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<!-- ******* PUNGENCY ******* -->
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|rowspan="2"| Pungency
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|rowspan="1"| Coolness
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| Menthol ||align="right"| 0  ||
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|rowspan="1"| Heat
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| Hot Alcohol || align="right"| 0 ||
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<!-- ******* SPICYNESS ******* -->
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|rowspan="2"| Spicyness
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|rowspan="2"| Spicyness
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| Unknown || align="right"| 7 || See Note 6
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| Licorice || align="right"| ? || See Note 7
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<!-- ******* VEGETABLES ******* -->
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|rowspan="10"| Vegetables  
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|rowspan="4"| Cooked Notes  
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| Asparagus||align="right"| 1 ||  
 
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| Green Olives ||align="right"| 1 ||  
 
| Green Olives ||align="right"| 1 ||  
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| Artichoke||align="right"| 2 ||
 
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| Black Olives ||align="right"| 3 ||
 
| Black Olives ||align="right"| 3 ||
 
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| rowspan=4|Freshness || Bell Pepper ||align="right"| 0 ||
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|rowspan="4"| Freshness  
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| Bell Pepper ||align="right"| 0 ||
 
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| Green Beans ||align="right"| 1 ||  
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| Green Beans ||align="right"| 1 ||  
 
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| Mint ||align="right"| 1 ||  
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| Mint ||align="right"| 1 ||  
 
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| Eucalyptus ||align="right"| 2 ||   
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| Eucalyptus ||align="right"| 2 ||
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|rowspan="2"| Deep dried notes
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| Straw ||align="right"| 3 ||
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| Tobacco ||align="right"| 6 ||
 
|-  
 
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| rowspan=3|Woodiness || rowspan=1|Burned Smells || Smoke ||align="right"| 0 ||  
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<!-- ******* WOODINESS ******* -->
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|rowspan="3"| Woodiness  
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|rowspan="1"| Burned Smells  
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| Smoke ||align="right"| 0 ||  
 
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|rowspan=2|Resin|| Cedar ||align="right"| 1 ||
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|rowspan="2"| Resin
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| Cedar ||align="right"| 1 ||
 
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| Oak ||align="right"| 1 ||  
 
| Oak ||align="right"| 1 ||  
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=== Notes ===
 
=== Notes ===
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# Acetic Acid was seen on an 8.7k glass, but it could be a Primary rather than Secondary taste.  Only Chemicals were on the lower glasses.
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# Acetic Acid was seen on an 8.7k glass, but it could be a Primary rather than Secondary taste.  Only Chemicals were on the lower glasses. Edit: got Pungency as the 2nd flavor on a different Acetic Acid yard with a 4573 quality glass.
 
##I also saw only chemicals (5773 glass) and acetic acid(6455 and 9044 glasses), but its possible acetic acid is the middle flavour and we're missing the top - Spicy
 
##I also saw only chemicals (5773 glass) and acetic acid(6455 and 9044 glasses), but its possible acetic acid is the middle flavour and we're missing the top - Spicy
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## From my tests, I believe Sharp Sulfur is the middle flavor, but it could be Chemicals->Acetic Acid->Sharp Sulfur - Omari
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## Updated: After further tasting I must have had an error in my tasting notes.  It is clear now that sharp sulfur is a tier 3 as shown.  This also matches the T3 chart so it makes more sense. (From my tests, I believe Sharp Sulfur is the middle flavor, but it could be Chemicals->Acetic Acid->Sharp Sulfur) - Omari
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# The teir 2 flavors didn't show up on these on my table, so pulled them from the T3 wiki-Tedra
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# The tier 2 flavors didn't show up on these on my table, so pulled them from the T3 wiki-Tedra
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# Tar is the top level flavour I saw on a 9k glass, petroleum is the middle flavour that I saw on 5.5k glass - Spicy
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# Geraniums seen in wine at 3 vints old, but not tested at 2 vints - Spicy Can confirm 3-Tedra
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# This was seen in T3 as vintage 1, can anyone confirm this is true for T4?  I have a pungency flavour detected at vintage 3 and suspect this might be it. - Linalia
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# I now have two vineyards that have a "Spicyness" flavor, but do not resolve to the Tier 3 flavor. I am growing more grapes with a higher quality and covering more of the area to track down the exact flavor - Telanoc
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# After drinking the same Spicyness wine a few times on different glasses I found Licorice on a 9204 quality glass, the wine is 28 vintages old though - EvilSnowman
  
 
== Reading The Flavor Chart ==
 
== Reading The Flavor Chart ==

Latest revision as of 05:02, 6 June 2010

< Wine

T4 Flavors

Taste Category
(Tier 1)		 Primary Tastes
(Tier 2)		 Secondary Tastes
(Tier 3)		 Vintage Notes
Carmelization Carmelization Butter 0
Molasses 1
Chocolate 2
Soy Sauce 2
Chemicals Odd Chemicals Fish 4
Soap 7
Paper Filter Pads 7
Petroleum Tar 1 See (3) below
Kerosene 8
Diesel 9 or 10
Pungency Ethanol 0
Sharp Sulfur 1 (or 3?) See (5) below.
Acetic Acid 3 See (1) below.
Ethyl Acetate 5
Sulfur Wet Wool 4 See (2) below
Burnt Matches 6
Skunk 6
Cabbage 7
Hydrogen Sulfide 8
Earthyness Earthyness Mushrooms 1
Dust 4
Moldyness Mildew 14
Floral Notes Floral Notes Orange Blossoms 0
Linalool 1
Roses 1
Geraniums 3 See (4) below
Fruit Berries Raspberry 0
Cassis 6 See (2) below
Dried Fruit Raisin 5
Strawberry Jam 6
Odd Fruit Artificial Fruit 7
Tree Fruit Cherry 0
Peach 0
Apricot 1
Apple 3
Tropical Fruit Banana 0
Pineapple 1
Microbiological Smells Animal Smells Horsey Smells 4
Mousey Smells 7
Lactic Acid Saurkraut 4 Tier 2 confirmed
Yeast Leesy 2
Buteric Acid ? 0 or 1 Unsure if 2nd or 3rd Tier
Nuttiness Nuttiness Almond 0
Hazelnut 0
Walnut 4 On Flavor Listing page so added here
Oxidation Oxidation Acetaldehyde 9
Pungency Coolness Menthol 0
Heat Hot Alcohol 0
Spicyness Spicyness Unknown 7 See Note 6
Licorice ? See Note 7
Vegetables Cooked Notes Asparagus 1
Green Olives 1
Artichoke 2
Black Olives 3
Freshness Bell Pepper 0
Green Beans 1
Mint 1
Eucalyptus 2
Deep dried notes Straw 3
Tobacco 6
Woodiness Burned Smells Smoke 0
Resin Cedar 1
Oak 1

Notes

  1. Acetic Acid was seen on an 8.7k glass, but it could be a Primary rather than Secondary taste. Only Chemicals were on the lower glasses. Edit: got Pungency as the 2nd flavor on a different Acetic Acid yard with a 4573 quality glass.
    1. I also saw only chemicals (5773 glass) and acetic acid(6455 and 9044 glasses), but its possible acetic acid is the middle flavour and we're missing the top - Spicy
    2. Updated: After further tasting I must have had an error in my tasting notes. It is clear now that sharp sulfur is a tier 3 as shown. This also matches the T3 chart so it makes more sense. (From my tests, I believe Sharp Sulfur is the middle flavor, but it could be Chemicals->Acetic Acid->Sharp Sulfur) - Omari
  2. The tier 2 flavors didn't show up on these on my table, so pulled them from the T3 wiki-Tedra
  3. Tar is the top level flavour I saw on a 9k glass, petroleum is the middle flavour that I saw on 5.5k glass - Spicy
  4. Geraniums seen in wine at 3 vints old, but not tested at 2 vints - Spicy Can confirm 3-Tedra
  5. This was seen in T3 as vintage 1, can anyone confirm this is true for T4? I have a pungency flavour detected at vintage 3 and suspect this might be it. - Linalia
  6. I now have two vineyards that have a "Spicyness" flavor, but do not resolve to the Tier 3 flavor. I am growing more grapes with a higher quality and covering more of the area to track down the exact flavor - Telanoc
  7. After drinking the same Spicyness wine a few times on different glasses I found Licorice on a 9204 quality glass, the wine is 28 vintages old though - EvilSnowman

Reading The Flavor Chart

Vintage indicates how old the wine was when the flavor first appeared in the wine.

  • If a wine contains flavors that have not developed at the wine's current vintage age, those flavors will not be detectable when the wine is tasted.
  • If no flavors are detectable, a wine will report as Thin and not give tasting checks for quality.
  • As the wine ages and flavors come in, the wine will stop being Thin.

Note: It is the age on the Secondary Taste that brings the flavor in, not the Taste Category or Primary Taste.

For example:

  • Bell Pepper (0) and Green Beans (1) are both Vegetable/Freshness flavors.
  • If a wine only has the Green Beans flavor in it, it will report as Thin until it is 1 vintage old (not giving the Vegetable or Freshness flavors).
  • Bell Pepper, on the other hand, will show Vegetable, Freshness, and Bell Pepper flavors on different glasses starting at 0 vintages old.

Related Pages

  • Wine Flavors By Vintage
  • Flavor Listing - Listing of flavors people currently have. Looking for certain flavors to finish up a wine book and can't find them? Look no further!! Also, feel free to add your flavors today!
  • T3 Flavors - archived to reduce confusion/page length
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