Amnesty

Pharaoh: 'afternoon.

kuupid: so today is the last day of T5?

Pharaoh: Well, we're in the last 24 hours of T5 anyway. T6 Saturday at Noon!

Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players?

(Question unanswered)

Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing.

Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged.

Pharaoh: How so?

Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels?

Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level?

Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm

InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that?

Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Every 14 days the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing"

DisShovel: for each individual or globally

Pharaoh: Globally. It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement.If it isn't, then it re-checks 24 hours later.

InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally?

Pharaoh: Yes

Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up either?

Pharaoh: Correct

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InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling

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Pharaoh: Though I now have lots of data on # of fish caught, # of kinds of fish caught, etc :D

Drakkett: and I didn't fish until later in tale

Pharaoh: Hehehe

InambaGuum: some fish are uncatchable without higher level FF skill,

Pharaoh: Right

Gumby: levels built up so that you got a level on every fish caught to catch up on your level, and the level system was bugged for a long time so that first point increase for anyone was a few months into the tale

DisShovel: but you never produce at a higher rate... okkay...

InambaGuum: it's pretty much essential to have higher than FF1 if you want to do banquet. banquet menus called for a disproportionate number of rare fish relative to other ingredients.

Additional Information

(Also answered but lost due to technical difficulties)

Cabbage: Anyone who passed the Mentorship Test standing nearby would increase cabbage seeds. (This is unconfirmed as some have tested the action with no avail.)

Leeks: See T4 carrots info hints.

T6: going nostalgia with T1 area names.

Last insect not found was a moth (Rosemary Moth I think).

Pharaoh: 'afternoon all... InambaGuum: howdy Pharaoh: So first off... Pharaoh: Four Monuments, given our population, is fantastic. Pharaoh: (And I understand that leadership is close.) Pharaoh: Anyone know how many supporters/ranks are still remaining? Pharaoh: (Seems there's a problem with the microphone, one sec.) Pharaoh: Test InambaGuum: as of earlier today, we needed 1 sage, 1 master, 9 prentices, and 2 students. Asheara: and a few confirmations Pharaoh: Ok, so still a chance. Pharaoh: The last "full win" was Tale 3... Pharaoh: So 1 and 3 were full wins, tale 2 build 4 monuments IIRC... InambaGuum: pretty good if we got the same number of monuments as T2. they had a lot more folks than we do. Pharaoh: Tale 4 built one I believe, though it was a "false monument" due to the special rules for that Tale. Pharaoh: Yes, Tale 2 peaked at 2401 subscribers. Not sure what our peak was butnot much more than 1000 if that. Pharaoh: So certainly a tighter community. Pharaoh: Asheara thinks 1300 peak this Tale. Rabble: T5 Ulead census peaked in the upper 900's Pharaoh: Ok Pharaoh: 532 right now, so that's consistant - end Tale is about half the peak. Pharaoh: (Not counting GMs, etc.) Sheeba: we have been in the 500's for a long time not just since the end was close Pharaoh: So tell me about which seed secrets are known/rumored/reporoduced but no clue how. InambaGuum: onions are known. watermelons are known. i think that might be it, right? honestly, attrition + DPA produced more seeds than seed repro methods did. Pharaoh: Compare achievements with me... Sheeba: I am missing one of the 104 Waerloga: Btw is there a place we can gather for this event? I'm feeling quite lonely here. Pharaoh: So cabbage cucumbers, leeks, onions, peppers, watermelon have all had seeds duplicated, at least inadvertantly. InambaGuum: a few of us are on the body monument plateau. i think maze was talking about having something at paradise plains as well. Pharaoh: And cabbage. InambaGuum: i think some of those seeds are showing up as being duplicated because they were by a dev. we had this debate a long time ago...most of those achievements were extant very early in the telling (like in the first few weeks). Pharaoh: Ah, that's possible. Asheara: if you check nvaigation, there's now an event waypoint named amnesty, you can travel to what used to be the body monument Pharaoh: Monument should go here? Asheara: yes where montu is InambaGuum: wiki only shows onions and watermelons as being known, and that's consistent with my experience. it's certainly possible that folks have found out methods for other seeds and just not shared it with the community, but if so, they're well-kept secrets. Pharaoh: (I'll recover the real one from backups for the T6 monument uncover event.) InambaGuum: yeah, monument was where montu i.sPharaoh: 532 right now, so that's consistant - end Tale is about half the peak.

Beckrastan: too bad we can not type in Montu and go there ! Pharaoh: Freaky monument, this one :) InambaGuum: agreed. :) Pharaoh: (I'll recover Supporters & inscriptions from backup)

Pharaoh: But the Test is Isis's Treasure, right? InambaGuum: Isis' Bounty, correct Pharaoh: So I'm thinking maybe that will replace Tattoo. Pharaoh: Or Oyster Catcher, though OC is a lower-level Test. Taemon: Nooo, not tattoo! Pharaoh: No? Taemon: Replace Banquet instead. Ruby: tattoo is a very popular test InambaGuum: no chance it could replace acro, eh? ;) /me is pretty tired of acro, although i'm guessing that may not be a majority opinion. Arahgon: tattoo is a pain ^^ troglin: I agree Pharaoh: What about Darkest Night? Last time I proposed removing that it wasn't pretty :) Taemon: NO! InambaGuum: i guess part of the problem is that all of the body tests are popular with some contingents Taemon: Replace acro! Arahgon: better remove tattoo ^^ Ruby: no, not DN, lol Rabble: That was before day-shrooms. Get rid of DN -- please :) Ruby: yeah, remove acro, it's a pain DisShovel: Very few would miss acro Rabble: I would miss acro. It's one of the few tests which get us together in large groups Pharaoh: The difficulty is that Acro is a low-level Test, helps bootstrap for levels. DisShovel: how about fix dayshrooms instead and keep the test? InambaGuum: why not make it a harmony test then? Taemon: It's been around forever, and it's a pain. Rabble: But acro needs to be tweaked for our smaller population Waerloga: To me, Feast doesn't seem very body-like InambaGuum: yeah, ,but if feast is removed, a lot of the reason for fumeology and winemaking is removed. Ruby: lots of people can't do banquet on their own, needing help with beer and/or cooking Waerloga: Use fumeo and winemaking in worship stuff then Pharaoh: I can't make that big a change in 2 days. InambaGuum: i'd vote acro personally, but probably the next best choice would be to remove oysters if swimming can still be left in (which seems like it could easily be independent of oysters anyway) Fuzz: look at which monuments didnt get build - that is a clue to the unpopular tests Pharaoh: Ok, Architecture... Pharaoh: Interesting Test Taemon: Drop Funerary. That one is just mean. TheMazeEcho: it's not unpopular tests or discipline, it's just a smaller population of players attempting them, because the principles are too complex dedenav: it's easy :) Arahgon: it sucks since the temples wont grow and change colors like they used to Pharaoh: Mega perhaps? That one's been around for ages unchanged. dedenav: long but easy :) InambaGuum also misses the old FTs, ugly as they were. Fuzz: no - Mega is fun Waerloga: I love mega cause of the teamwork needed Pharaoh: I agree on FT. dedenav: yep Ruby: mega is good TheMazeEcho: Mega do have a nice feature: being able to post egypt-wide messages InambaGuum: the new arch test seems most similar to library. that's what i'd vote to drop. Taemon: I agree on Mega teamwork. I like it. Rabble: Mega is fun and good team event. Can't stand library. Everyone who builds one passes and it's kinda silly DisShovel: yeah, arch should be group stuff .. mega fits Sheeba: yes I enjoyed mega Taemon: I'd at least change the principle on Library. Asheara: there's a wine table noth of the monument now dedenav: you need to look a pyro ! dedenav: it's a very good test , but no one do it !!! dedenav: clandard is nor good DisShovel: cost issues with pyro.. I can actually build quicker in RL dedenav: thx ash :) Fuzz: pyro is good but make it easier to schedule pyro shows InambaGuum: pyro problems mostly have to do with getting people together for shows TheMazeEcho: and getting people to watch star labs, to get new stars Fuzz: also more points for runners uo dedenav: on T2 we dont have that :) dedenav: and more people do it dedenav: we 'll can't choose :) Pharaoh: SLWilson is going to do a new Funerary Temple that shows off colors, but isn't but-ugly like the old one. Pharaoh: Dump Library? Ruby: yes Taemon: Yeah. troglin: yes InambaGuum: yes Sheeba: yes TheMazeEcho: yeah Fuzz: no - library is good dedenav: he he Waerloga: Library doesn't seem in the spirit or arch to me, it's more social having to convince people to place books Rabble: please dump library :) dedenav: yes library is near lead test Fuzz seems to be outvoted - sigh InambaGuum: sorry man. fwiw, i think libraries look cool. i'll miss seeing them.

Asheara: there's a wine table noth of the monument now dedenav: you need to look a pyro ! dedenav: it's a very good test , but no one do it !!! dedenav: clandard is nor good DisShovel: cost issues with pyro.. I can actually build quicker in RL dedenav: thx ash :) Fuzz: pyro is good but make it easier to schedule pyro shows InambaGuum: pyro problems mostly have to do with getting people together for shows TheMazeEcho: and getting people to watch star labs, to get new stars Fuzz: also more points for runners uo dedenav: on T2 we dont have that :) dedenav: and more people do it dedenav: we 'll can't choose :) Pharaoh: SLWilson is going to do a new Funerary Temple that shows off colors, but isn't but-ugly like the old one. Pharaoh: Dump Library? Ruby: yes Taemon: Yeah. troglin: yes InambaGuum: yes Sheeba: yes TheMazeEcho: yeah Fuzz: no - library is good dedenav: he he Waerloga: Library doesn't seem in the spirit or arch to me, it's more social having to convince people to place books Rabble: please dump library :) dedenav: yes library is near lead test Fuzz seems to be outvoted - sigh InambaGuum: sorry man. fwiw, i think libraries look cool. i'll miss seeing them. TheMazeEcho: the initial library test was about enhancing the library itself, not having people write books for it, that would have been a true arch test Rabble: Why not have 8 tests per discipline and keep the old ones too? More to do = good for game and more subscribers Taemon: What a good idea! InambaGuum: the universe would explode if we had 8 of anything. Waerloga: don't mess with the "magic number" :) Pharaoh: Architecture, as originally conceived at least, isn't about grinding - it's abou capitalism... InambaGuum: how so? Pharaoh: Getting others to work for you. Pharaoh: So Phoenix formalizes that, Towers sort of does. InambaGuum: yeah i don't think it's generally done that way. Taemon: Hm. Didn't really work out, did it? :-) TheMazeEcho: most Arch tests did work out that way, I had my guildies working to make the mats for me :Þ Waerloga: Alot of people enjoy grinding, arch is probably the most popular discipline Fuzz: towers isa good test but we need a better way of finding out who else is building Pharaoh: So in that sense, Mega is more like a Worship Test. DisShovel: towers gets easier of coarse, with smaller pop DisShovel: same for obi Taemon: Obi has to, with the long time before passing. Pharaoh: Right. With a small population, Towers isn't actually that great a Test. InambaGuum: yeah, i think if the pop were higher or the tests were scaled for significantly lower pops, we would probably be forced to do more allocation and less grinding to be competitive. as is, you really only had to build one phoenix to pass the test a lot of the time. Pharaoh: We could swap out Phoenix. Waerloga: some of the best teamwork me and my friends have had was during pheonix TheMazeEcho: yeah Fuzz: no - library is good dedenav: he he Waerloga: Library doesn't seem in the spirit or arch to me, it's more social having to convince people to place books Rabble: please dump library :) dedenav: yes library is near lead test Fuzz seems to be outvoted - sigh

Pharaoh: So Phoenix is a stronger Test than Library overall? Ruby: yeah, our guild did well on phoenix too, was great teamwork Justin: nah get rid of library! it's gotta be the most pointless boring test that doesn't really feel like an Arch test InambaGuum: oh, a suggestion i made to tel ages ago about arch: swap the level requirements for towers and obelisk. towers is really more newbie friendly than obelisk, and a *lot* of players have gotten burned out and quit after just a month or two of playing when they tried to grind out an obelisk early on. Pharaoh: Ok Rabble: I like how libraries look but the test is just boring. InambaGuum: i think phoenix would be a great test with a higher pop. library seems kinda meh anyway. Pharaoh: Ah, that makes sense Inamba DisShovel: yeah towers<>obi makes sense Pharaoh: Ok, I'm going to do that. Pharaoh: And finally, Worship. merek: That will make it harder to get to level 2. Arahgon: and giving back the old teple look would be great Emy: yeah, principles of obi easier than towers Arahgon: temple Justin: ouch!!!! towers principles will need to be simplified if it gets swapped with obi! building two different types is gonna be hard for noobs Orrin: Agreed on that, Obe is a nice easy one you can lend the new people stuff for merek: And the time between tower hours will make that much harder, too Pharaoh: Can just make it "build 1 tower" InambaGuum: make towers just require one type. fixed. one tower isn't any more expensive than a 7 cubit obelisk. Pharaoh: Getting others to work for you. Pharaoh: So Phoenix formalizes that, Towers sort of does. InambaGuum: yeah i don't think it's generally done that way. Taemon: Hm. Didn't really work out, did it? :-) TheMazeEcho: most Arch tests did work out that way, I had my guildies working to make the mats for me :Þ Waerloga: Alot of people enjoy grinding, arch is probably the most popular discipline Fuzz: towers isa good test but we need a better way of finding out who else is building Pharaoh: So in that sense, Mega is more like a Worship Test. DisShovel: towers gets easier of coarse, with smaller pop DisShovel: same for obi Taemon: Obi has to, with the long time before passing. Pharaoh: Right. With a small population, Towers isn't actually that great a Test. InambaGuum: yeah, i think if the pop were higher or the tests were scaled for significantly lower pops, we would probably be forced to do more allocation and less grinding to be competitive. as is, you really only had to build one phoenix to pass the test a lot of the time. Pharaoh: We could swap out Phoenix. Waerloga: some of the best teamwork me and my friends have had was during pheonix Pharaoh: So Phoenix is a stronger Test than Library overall? Ruby: yeah, our guild did well on phoenix too, was great teamwork Justin: nah get rid of library! it's gotta be the most pointless boring test that doesn't really feel like an Arch test InambaGuum: oh, a suggestion i made to tel ages ago about arch: swap the level requirements for towers and obelisk. towers is really more newbie friendly than obelisk, and a *lot* of players have gotten burned out and quit after just a month or two of playing when they tried to grind out an obelisk early on. Pharaoh: Ok Rabble: I like how libraries look but the test is just boring. InambaGuum: i think phoenix would be a great test with a higher pop. library seems kinda meh anyway. Pharaoh: Ah, that makes sense Inamba DisShovel: yeah towers<>obi makes sense Pharaoh: Ok, I'm going to do that. Pharaoh: And finally, Worship. merek: That will make it harder to get to level 2. Arahgon: and giving back the old teple look would be great Emy: yeah, principles of obi easier than towers Arahgon: temple Justin: ouch!!!! towers principles will need to be simplified if it gets swapped with obi! building two different types is gonna be hard for noobs Orrin: Agreed on that, Obe is a nice easy one you can lend the new people stuff for merek: And the time between tower hours will make that much harder, too Pharaoh: Can just make it "build 1 tower" InambaGuum: make towers just require one type. fixed. one tower isn't any more expensive than a 7 cubit obelisk. Justin: and no % of egypt owned requirement either! merek: And a small construction site rather than medium? Orrin: Still have the timing issue? Justin: else we'll have noobs building towere till the end of tale trying to pass principles Fuzz: I enjoyed building monumental towers - but could there be some reward for them Orrin: It's rather a fiddle to swap those two test, what exactly would be gained? InambaGuum: gah. DisShovel: nooblers often get overwhelmed by obi. Pharaoh: I'll take a look at the code before deciding whether to swap them. Taemon: Nooblers must realise they don't have to pass rightaway. Pharaoh: If it's too much surgery (principles) then I'll just leave it. DisShovel: they often don't, the just quit Pharaoh: Ok, Worship. Taemon: I once adjusted the wiki page to that end. They can build a size 7, get all the stuff back. TheMazeEcho: we had an obe kit in our guild for newbies, they just had to build the site, load mats, get level, and disassemble Waerloga: Alot of people enjoy grinding, arch is probably the most popular discipline Fuzz: towers isa good test but we need a better way of finding out who else is building Pharaoh: So in that sense, Mega is more like a Worship Test. DisShovel: towers gets easier of coarse, with smaller pop DisShovel: same for obi Taemon: Obi has to, with the long time before passing. Pharaoh: Right. With a small population, Towers isn't actually that great a Test. InambaGuum: yeah, i think if the pop were higher or the tests were scaled for significantly lower pops, we would probably be forced to do more allocation and less grinding to be competitive. as is, you really only had to build one phoenix to pass the test a lot of the time. Pharaoh: We could swap out Phoenix. Waerloga: some of the best teamwork me and my friends have had was during pheonix Pharaoh: So Phoenix is a stronger Test than Library overall? Ruby: yeah, our guild did well on phoenix too, was great teamwork Justin: nah get rid of library! it's gotta be the most pointless boring test that doesn't really feel like an Arch test InambaGuum: oh, a suggestion i made to tel ages ago about arch: swap the level requirements for towers and obelisk. towers is really more newbie friendly than obelisk, and a *lot* of players have gotten burned out and quit after just a month or two of playing when they tried to grind out an obelisk early on. Pharaoh: Ok Rabble: I like how libraries look but the test is just boring. InambaGuum: i think phoenix would be a great test with a higher pop. library seems kinda meh anyway. Pharaoh: Ah, that makes sense Inamba DisShovel: yeah towers<>obi makes sense Pharaoh: Ok, I'm going to do that. Pharaoh: And finally, Worship. merek: That will make it harder to get to level 2. Arahgon: and giving back the old teple look would be great Emy: yeah, principles of obi easier than towers Arahgon: temple Justin: ouch!!!! towers principles will need to be simplified if it gets swapped with obi! building two different types is gonna be hard for noobs Orrin: Agreed on that, Obe is a nice easy one you can lend the new people stuff for merek: And the time between tower hours will make that much harder, too Pharaoh: Can just make it "build 1 tower" InambaGuum: make towers just require one type. fixed. one tower isn't any more expensive than a 7 cubit obelisk. Justin: and no % of egypt owned requirement either! merek: And a small construction site rather than medium? Orrin: Still have the timing issue? Justin: else we'll have noobs building towere till the end of tale trying to pass principles Fuzz: I enjoyed building monumental towers - but could there be some reward for them Orrin: It's rather a fiddle to swap those two test, what exactly would be gained? InambaGuum: gah. DisShovel: nooblers often get overwhelmed by obi. Pharaoh: I'll take a look at the code before deciding whether to swap them. Taemon: Nooblers must realise they don't have to pass rightaway. Pharaoh: If it's too much surgery (principles) then I'll just leave it. DisShovel: they often don't, the just quit Pharaoh: Ok, Worship. Taemon: I once adjusted the wiki page to that end. They can build a size 7, get all the stuff back. TheMazeEcho: we had an obe kit in our guild for newbies, they just had to build the site, load mats, get level, and disassemble Orrin: Well, you'd have to change Porject Management 2 to < lvl 7 req? InambaGuum: right. obelisk *looks* straightforward, so new players often beeline straight to it. in fact, it involves substantial grinding to be competitive, and is often drama-laced as well (queues and all). so they grind out 100 linen on student looms, hate it, decide the game sucks, and quit. Orrin: Drama = good! Taemon: But sheep are better. InambaGuum: levels really aren't that hard to get. i think you're all way too worried about the one level you'd "lose" from having obelisk principles later on.

Rabble: Aye, levels were easy in T5 due to the changes from T4 merek: at the start, Arch is the _only_ way to get to level 2. Orrin: Agreed Orrin: Though, since the level of obe is 3 and towers is 5, why are we really bothering? Taemon: I didn't build my obelisk until a few months ago. Ruby: worship - astrological alignement was not very popular and too difficult because of low population InambaGuum: is that all they are now, orrin? they used to be like levels 4 and 12. Orrin: Both are well within the reach of a new player, so much so that if one of them looks easier they'll go for it anyway? Blueshift: i agree ruby Rabble: What happened to our talk about seeds, moss and fishing? Pharaoh: Worship - tell me first what you thought of Astro this Tale? Blueshift: it's just boring compared to the other worship tests DisShovel: the change is proposed for retention benefit, not us TheMazeEcho: Astro was a pita

Taemon: I once adjusted the wiki page to that end. They can build a size 7, get all the stuff back. TheMazeEcho: we had an obe kit in our guild for newbies, they just had to build the site, load mats, get level, and disassemble Orrin: Well, you'd have to change Porject Management 2 to < lvl 7 req? InambaGuum: right. obelisk *looks* straightforward, so new players often beeline straight to it. in fact, it involves substantial grinding to be competitive, and is often drama-laced as well (queues and all). so they grind out 100 linen on student looms, hate it, decide the game sucks, and quit. Orrin: Drama = good! Taemon: But sheep are better. InambaGuum: levels really aren't that hard to get. i think you're all way too worried about the one level you'd "lose" from having obelisk principles later on. TheMazeEcho: how many people passed it? Pharaoh: Let me look Asheara: it was easy if you were online when it first opened but after that it was impossible especially since those that passed could not join new groups InambaGuum: i thought it was ok. it seemed pretty retro though. reminded me of doing alignment for alchemy. Fuzz: astro was the only one I passed Ruby: we tried to get people together to test for astro, got some together at start but them people seemed to give it up InambaGuum: that's the case with a lot of worship tests though, ash. Pharaoh: 21 passed. Orrin: What was the new worship last tale... that was a PITA too... Ruby: most of those passed early on TheMazeEcho: remembrance ceremonies InambaGuum: remembrance ceremonies, orrin Pharaoh: Other candidates - Humble Priests... Orrin: Was real easy when it first came out cos everyone needed it, then as the game progressed it got harder and harder Blueshift: humble priests is okay Asheara: i like humble priests Orrin: Cos it was just a resource sink, and once you'd done it you didn't want to go through it all again Fuzz: it would be nice if you could publish the pass rates for all tests somewhere Blueshift: it's no vigil but it is a bit of fun I think Pharaoh: Leavened Bread. merek: If people who already passed could still participate, then Astro might be ok. Orrin: Not at 1000 wheat cost xD Rabble: Really. Keep the old tests. Add the new ones. 8 tests per discipline. Let people choose which 7 to pursue to get to oracle. Why do all the hard work of coding the tests and then junk them? Emy: leavened bread is awful Asheara: the stopper on leavened bread was the 5k wheat requirement Orrin: Leavened bread passes in T4 were distorted because of my wheat stash... TheMazeEcho: the cost of each leaf of bread is too big Taemon: I agree with Rabble. Pharaoh: "Rates is hard, but: Astro 21, Beacons 15, Festivals 29, Humble Priests 13...

Orrin: I had 100k wheat and was throwing it out everywhere TheMazeEcho: only 29 festivals passes ? DisShovel: the box shall be 7, don't think outside of it dedenav: yes bread are too expensive in weat ! InambaGuum: levened bread loaves are actually made to feed godzilla-sized newbies. Taemon: Dis :-) Pharaoh: Leavened Bread 23, Pilgrim 152, Vigil 223 Orrin: The numbers speak the truth... InambaGuum: keep vigil. only worship test i like. ;) DisShovel: yep, even I passed vigil Taemon: Ditch worship! Add the school of Packrat! Pharaoh: Beacons - I think that's actually a really good Test, and I've gotten good feedback from it... dedenav: astrological is too late in the tale ! Pharaoh: But only 13 passes. Orrin: I liked beacons InambaGuum: yeah beacons is ok. it's harder with lower pop though, obviously Emy: need to lower the requirements for opening tests like festivals if we have lower pop Pharaoh: So it sounds like either Leavened Bread or Astro. Orrin: Worship this tale is gonna be hard cos of the lower population Justin: bread schmed! are we worshippers or bakers? Pharaoh: Astro is very newbie friendly early in the Tale. Orrin: Bread could be fixed easier than astro?

Blueshift: it's no vigil but it is a bit of fun I think Pharaoh: Leavened Bread. merek: If people who already passed could still participate, then Astro might be ok. Orrin: Not at 1000 wheat cost xD Rabble: Really. Keep the old tests. Add the new ones. 8 tests per discipline. Let people choose which 7 to pursue to get to oracle. Why do all the hard work of coding the tests and then junk them? Emy: leavened bread is awful Asheara: the stopper on leavened bread was the 5k wheat requirement Orrin: Leavened bread passes in T4 were distorted because of my wheat stash... TheMazeEcho: the cost of each leaf of bread is too big Taemon: I agree with Rabble. Pharaoh: "Rates is hard, but: Astro 21, Beacons 15, Festivals 29, Humble Priests 13... Orrin: I had 100k wheat and was throwing it out everywhere TheMazeEcho: only 29 festivals passes ? DisShovel: the box shall be 7, don't think outside of it dedenav: yes bread are too expensive in weat ! InambaGuum: levened bread loaves are actually made to feed godzilla-sized newbies. Taemon: Dis :-) Pharaoh: Leavened Bread 23, Pilgrim 152, Vigil 223 Orrin: The numbers speak the truth... InambaGuum: keep vigil. only worship test i like. ;) DisShovel: yep, even I passed vigil Taemon: Ditch worship! Add the school of Packrat! Pharaoh: Beacons - I think that's actually a really good Test, and I've gotten good feedback from it... dedenav: astrological is too late in the tale ! Pharaoh: But only 13 passes. Orrin: I liked beacons InambaGuum: yeah beacons is ok. it's harder with lower pop though, obviously Emy: need to lower the requirements for opening tests like festivals if we have lower pop Pharaoh: So it sounds like either Leavened Bread or Astro. Orrin: Worship this tale is gonna be hard cos of the lower population Justin: bread schmed! are we worshippers or bakers? Pharaoh: Astro is very newbie friendly early in the Tale. Orrin: Bread could be fixed easier than astro? Blueshift: astro could be a great test if released very early Asheara: leavened bread is a good test and not hard once you get past the wheat growing Rabble: lower the cost of loaves and keep bread. Junk astro dedenav: we need astro at the star of the tale Fuzz: the rates tell a story - now you know which tests are popular and which nedd to be made easier TheMazeEcho: astro is too similar to humble priest, just find a group and voila Pharaoh: What if astro was levcel 3 or so... Ruby: yeah, I don't think leavened bread is hard TheMazeEcho: bread is more complex, involves doing more stuff Pharaoh: That will help early bootstrapping. Orrin: bread is nice because it gets people talking though... TheMazeEcho: if people don't like gathering for acro, they won't like gathering for astro either Orrin: Acro - clickfest of hell Asheara: astro could be fixed if you allowed those that passed to join groups again InambaGuum: replace astro with acro and you only have to change 2 letters. Orrin: Nice fix there asheara, I like that DisShovel: acro hate isnt about gathering, its mind numbing repetition for hours a time

TheMazeEcho: only 29 festivals passes ? DisShovel: the box shall be 7, don't think outside of it dedenav: yes bread are too expensive in weat ! InambaGuum: levened bread loaves are actually made to feed godzilla-sized newbies. Taemon: Dis :-) Pharaoh: Leavened Bread 23, Pilgrim 152, Vigil 223 Orrin: The numbers speak the truth... InambaGuum: keep vigil. only worship test i like. ;) DisShovel: yep, even I passed vigil Taemon: Ditch worship! Add the school of Packrat! Pharaoh: Beacons - I think that's actually a really good Test, and I've gotten good feedback from it... dedenav: astrological is too late in the tale ! Pharaoh: But only 13 passes. Orrin: I liked beacons InambaGuum: yeah beacons is ok. it's harder with lower pop though, obviously Emy: need to lower the requirements for opening tests like festivals if we have lower pop Pharaoh: So it sounds like either Leavened Bread or Astro. Orrin: Worship this tale is gonna be hard cos of the lower population Justin: bread schmed! are we worshippers or bakers? Pharaoh: Astro is very newbie friendly early in the Tale. Orrin: Bread could be fixed easier than astro? Blueshift: astro could be a great test if released very early Asheara: leavened bread is a good test and not hard once you get past the wheat growing Rabble: lower the cost of loaves and keep bread. Junk astro dedenav: we need astro at the star of the tale Fuzz: the rates tell a story - now you know which tests are popular and which nedd to be made easier TheMazeEcho: astro is too similar to humble priest, just find a group and voila Pharaoh: What if astro was levcel 3 or so... Ruby: yeah, I don't think leavened bread is hard TheMazeEcho: bread is more complex, involves doing more stuff Pharaoh: That will help early bootstrapping. Orrin: bread is nice because it gets people talking though... TheMazeEcho: if people don't like gathering for acro, they won't like gathering for astro either Orrin: Acro - clickfest of hell Asheara: astro could be fixed if you allowed those that passed to join groups again InambaGuum: replace astro with acro and you only have to change 2 letters. Orrin: Nice fix there asheara, I like that DisShovel: acro hate isnt about gathering, its mind numbing repetition for hours a time Orrin: spam this button, wait, spam this button, wait, spam this button..... Taemon: It has nothing to do with skill, just luck. Fuzz: too true DisShovel Thaz: acro's fixable, raise the pass rates so that it's completable Pharaoh: That fix will nerf the hell out of it: Find a group of 4, and then go around passing other people. Waerloga: if Acro is removed, will there be a new way of getting dex? Rabble: Yeah, if you really tweak acro (like you said you would 20 minutes ago), then it'll be fun again! Orrin: Well it's that or have it purely at the mercy of a low population? Taemon: Who needs dex? 500 deben ought to be enough for everyone. Asheara: maybe you can rejoin if it's for a different god once you pass Orrin: Maybe up the group size or add a couple more alignments? TheMazeEcho: if astro were about finding 4 people aligned with you, but not with each other, that'd

Orrin: Bread could be fixed easier than astro? Blueshift: astro could be a great test if released very early Asheara: leavened bread is a good test and not hard once you get past the wheat growing Rabble: lower the cost of loaves and keep bread. Junk astro dedenav: we need astro at the star of the tale Fuzz: the rates tell a story - now you know which tests are popular and which nedd to be made easier TheMazeEcho: astro is too similar to humble priest, just find a group and voila Pharaoh: What if astro was levcel 3 or so... Ruby: yeah, I don't think leavened bread is hard TheMazeEcho: bread is more complex, involves doing more stuff Pharaoh: That will help early bootstrapping. Orrin: bread is nice because it gets people talking though... TheMazeEcho: if people don't like gathering for acro, they won't like gathering for astro either Orrin: Acro - clickfest of hell Asheara: astro could be fixed if you allowed those that passed to join groups again InambaGuum: replace astro with acro and you only have to change 2 letters. Orrin: Nice fix there asheara, I like that DisShovel: acro hate isnt about gathering, its mind numbing repetition for hours a time Orrin: spam this button, wait, spam this button, wait, spam this button..... Taemon: It has nothing to do with skill, just luck. Fuzz: too true DisShovel Thaz: acro's fixable, raise the pass rates so that it's completable Pharaoh: That fix will nerf the hell out of it: Find a group of 4, and then go around passing other people. Waerloga: if Acro is removed, will there be a new way of getting dex? Rabble: Yeah, if you really tweak acro (like you said you would 20 minutes ago), then it'll be fun again! Orrin: Well it's that or have it purely at the mercy of a low population? Taemon: Who needs dex? 500 deben ought to be enough for everyone. Asheara: maybe you can rejoin if it's for a different god once you pass Orrin: Maybe up the group size or add a couple more alignments? TheMazeEcho: if astro were about finding 4 people aligned with you, but not with each other, that'd work InambaGuum: i'd remove astro. i don't personally care one way or the other sinc eit's not my discipline, but astro is hard to pass later on and seems like a prototype test rather than something fully realized. leavened bread has issues and it's not easy, but it seems like a real test. TheMazeEcho: I agree Blueshift: Yep that's well said dedenav: yep Pharaoh: Astro was one of the first Tests I ever did. Ruby: I know people gave up worship because of astro dedenav: m dedenav: ùaybe at the star , it's good, whith lot of people Pharaoh: BTW, I've actually thought about (Dis's?) more-than-7-Tests-per-Discipline idea. DisShovel: dont blame me, that was Rabble Justin: as long as you only have to pass 7 to reach oracle... Sheeba: yes that would be good Justin: else you're gonna need a new "level" in the middle somewhere Rabble: Old games sometimes add players because they also add content. We just keep replacing content Pharaoh: And it won't happen this Tale, but that could be a major change for a future Tale. Makes the whole game much easier, but maybe in a good way. Taemon: More freedom to play as we want. Pharaoh: Right - any 7 to reach Oracle. Rabble: And every test that goes away loses us some players cause someone out there loves it Ruby: nice Pharaoh: Lots of Oracles then, and very possibly competing monuments, which has always been something I've wanted.

Orrin: bread is nice because it gets people talking though... TheMazeEcho: if people don't like gathering for acro, they won't like gathering for astro either Orrin: Acro - clickfest of hell Asheara: astro could be fixed if you allowed those that passed to join groups again InambaGuum: replace astro with acro and you only have to change 2 letters. Orrin: Nice fix there asheara, I like that DisShovel: acro hate isnt about gathering, its mind numbing repetition for hours a time Orrin: spam this button, wait, spam this button, wait, spam this button..... Taemon: It has nothing to do with skill, just luck. Fuzz: too true DisShovel Thaz: acro's fixable, raise the pass rates so that it's completable Pharaoh: That fix will nerf the hell out of it: Find a group of 4, and then go around passing other people. Waerloga: if Acro is removed, will there be a new way of getting dex? Rabble: Yeah, if you really tweak acro (like you said you would 20 minutes ago), then it'll be fun again! Orrin: Well it's that or have it purely at the mercy of a low population? Taemon: Who needs dex? 500 deben ought to be enough for everyone. Asheara: maybe you can rejoin if it's for a different god once you pass Orrin: Maybe up the group size or add a couple more alignments? TheMazeEcho: if astro were about finding 4 people aligned with you, but not with each other, that'd work InambaGuum: i'd remove astro. i don't personally care one way or the other sinc eit's not my discipline, but astro is hard to pass later on and seems like a prototype test rather than something fully realized. leavened bread has issues and it's not easy, but it seems like a real test. TheMazeEcho: I agree Blueshift: Yep that's well said dedenav: yep Pharaoh: Astro was one of the first Tests I ever did. Ruby: I know people gave up worship because of astro dedenav: m dedenav: ùaybe at the star , it's good, whith lot of people Pharaoh: BTW, I've actually thought about (Dis's?) more-than-7-Tests-per-Discipline idea. DisShovel: dont blame me, that was Rabble Justin: as long as you only have to pass 7 to reach oracle... Sheeba: yes that would be good Justin: else you're gonna need a new "level" in the middle somewhere Rabble: Old games sometimes add players because they also add content. We just keep replacing content Pharaoh: And it won't happen this Tale, but that could be a major change for a future Tale. Makes the whole game much easier, but maybe in a good way. Taemon: More freedom to play as we want. Pharaoh: Right - any 7 to reach Oracle. Rabble: And every test that goes away loses us some players cause someone out there loves it Ruby: nice Pharaoh: Lots of Oracles then, and very possibly competing monuments, which has always been something I've wanted. InambaGuum: it would be interesting for sure. although personally i like the challenge of the current system...although there's often one or two tests in each discipline i really dislike. dedenav: maze demande lui si il peut remettre les petits jeux( reflexion ...) pres des CS Taemon: If you want that, you'd have to make monuments cheaper (which I don't necesarily want myself) Pharaoh: I've got to head out for a bit, but I should be around later in the afternoon - I want to give away one seed secret. Ruby: I don't think it's a cost issue for monuments, but lack of people that can support Rabble: Moss or fishing. That should be the amnesty thingie imo Pharaoh: So, pick a secret :) Taemon: Fishing. TheMazeEcho: dedenav asks if you could put the conflict games back to near the CS, as in T2, instead of having to go to the spirit arena only during special events Pharaoh: What would you like to know about moss? Waerloga: Fishing

TheMazeEcho: I agree Blueshift: Yep that's well said dedenav: yep Pharaoh: Astro was one of the first Tests I ever did. Ruby: I know people gave up worship because of astro dedenav: m dedenav: ùaybe at the star , it's good, whith lot of people Pharaoh: BTW, I've actually thought about (Dis's?) more-than-7-Tests-per-Discipline idea. DisShovel: dont blame me, that was Rabble Justin: as long as you only have to pass 7 to reach oracle... Sheeba: yes that would be good Justin: else you're gonna need a new "level" in the middle somewhere Rabble: Old games sometimes add players because they also add content. We just keep replacing content Pharaoh: And it won't happen this Tale, but that could be a major change for a future Tale. Makes the whole game much easier, but maybe in a good way. Taemon: More freedom to play as we want. Pharaoh: Right - any 7 to reach Oracle. Rabble: And every test that goes away loses us some players cause someone out there loves it Ruby: nice Pharaoh: Lots of Oracles then, and very possibly competing monuments, which has always been something I've wanted. InambaGuum: it would be interesting for sure. although personally i like the challenge of the current system...although there's often one or two tests in each discipline i really dislike. dedenav: maze demande lui si il peut remettre les petits jeux( reflexion ...) pres des CS Taemon: If you want that, you'd have to make monuments cheaper (which I don't necesarily want myself) Pharaoh: I've got to head out for a bit, but I should be around later in the afternoon - I want to give away one seed secret. Ruby: I don't think it's a cost issue for monuments, but lack of people that can support Rabble: Moss or fishing. That should be the amnesty thingie imo Pharaoh: So, pick a secret :) Taemon: Fishing. TheMazeEcho: dedenav asks if you could put the conflict games back to near the CS, as in T2, instead of having to go to the spirit arena only during special events Pharaoh: What would you like to know about moss? Waerloga: Fishing InambaGuum: fishing Ruby: fishing dedenav: thx dedenav: Moss Pharaoh: Fishing ... ? What about it? TheMazeEcho: yeah, get rid of the fishing system, it really sucks ;) DisShovel: be interesting to see how many vigils died on a fish Rabble: How exactly do we change moss attributes? In T4, I could both add and subtract some of them (with the same toon). No one knows it in detail Taemon: The leveling system seems to be bugged. Way bugged. InambaGuum: a bunch of things, but most prominently: what was up with fishing skill gain? it took like 5k+ casts to go from fishing skill 1 to fishing skill 2, then fishing skill 2 to fishing skill 7 happened in like 10 casts. Sheeba: and give us better fishing rods to catch bigger levels of fish Pharaoh: Ok, I'll explain moss later. Pharaoh: Back in a bit. Beckrastan: I have 1 quick question, will the placement of bonefire piles and woodplanes be allowed in cp's in tale 6 , it is a consistant griefer problem that needs to be addressed! dedenav: fishing rot are buged DisShovel: old fish were rare.. too rare since they were research reqs Ruby: some too rare for banquet as well DisShovel: vines took forever as a result dedenav: dedenav have 26 in fishing InambaGuum has fly fishing 9, but was stuck at FF1 for a very, very, very, very long time.

Pharaoh: Right - any 7 to reach Oracle. Rabble: And every test that goes away loses us some players cause someone out there loves it Ruby: nice Pharaoh: Lots of Oracles then, and very possibly competing monuments, which has always been something I've wanted. InambaGuum: it would be interesting for sure. although personally i like the challenge of the current system...although there's often one or two tests in each discipline i really dislike. dedenav: maze demande lui si il peut remettre les petits jeux( reflexion ...) pres des CS Taemon: If you want that, you'd have to make monuments cheaper (which I don't necesarily want myself) Pharaoh: I've got to head out for a bit, but I should be around later in the afternoon - I want to give away one seed secret. Ruby: I don't think it's a cost issue for monuments, but lack of people that can support Rabble: Moss or fishing. That should be the amnesty thingie imo Pharaoh: So, pick a secret :) Taemon: Fishing. TheMazeEcho: dedenav asks if you could put the conflict games back to near the CS, as in T2, instead of having to go to the spirit arena only during special events Pharaoh: What would you like to know about moss? Waerloga: Fishing InambaGuum: fishing Ruby: fishing dedenav: thx dedenav: Moss Pharaoh: Fishing ... ? What about it? TheMazeEcho: yeah, get rid of the fishing system, it really sucks ;) DisShovel: be interesting to see how many vigils died on a fish Rabble: How exactly do we change moss attributes? In T4, I could both add and subtract some of them (with the same toon). No one knows it in detail Taemon: The leveling system seems to be bugged. Way bugged. InambaGuum: a bunch of things, but most prominently: what was up with fishing skill gain? it took like 5k+ casts to go from fishing skill 1 to fishing skill 2, then fishing skill 2 to fishing skill 7 happened in like 10 casts. Sheeba: and give us better fishing rods to catch bigger levels of fish Pharaoh: Ok, I'll explain moss later. Pharaoh: Back in a bit. Beckrastan: I have 1 quick question, will the placement of bonefire piles and woodplanes be allowed in cp's in tale 6 , it is a consistant griefer problem that needs to be addressed! dedenav: fishing rot are buged DisShovel: old fish were rare.. too rare since they were research reqs Ruby: some too rare for banquet as well DisShovel: vines took forever as a result dedenav: dedenav have 26 in fishing InambaGuum has fly fishing 9, but was stuck at FF1 for a very, very, very, very long time. dedenav: :) Gumby: fishing skills are awarded every X number of days, if you haven't fishing in a long time you'll get a point for every fish you catch until you get caught up (if you were in the top whatever needed to get a point several times in a row) Sheeba: if we could learn how to make better rods maybe tha t would give us rarer fish Rabble: Lures are wacky too. The early ones break too easy. The later levels are too hard to get. Did anyone even get fly tying 7? And the lure types needed for a certain fish change too quickly -- as do the fish types 'in season' InambaGuum: oh yeah, some of those rare insects were, like, astronomically rare. Blueshift: I'm curious about the last insect class with 14 bugs. Blueshift: no one found the final bug Blueshift: and perhaps only one or two people found the 2nd and 3rd rarest Gumby: most of the rares i've heard of were found by new accounts, i know all the rares i found were very early on DisShovel: the idea of the system weren't bad, but I think most believe it was buggy as hell TheMazeEcho: all bugs were found, but certainly not by the same player TheMazeEcho: maybe they weren't all added to wiki, but I did check them out once Rabble: Well Teppy is gone so guess we are walking to ourselves -- SNAFU :) Rabble: *talking Blueshift: well, i guess i'm curious if there was a specific method to getting them

work DisShovel: Silver and 3 others right? Blueshift: indeed, it works. just got a cabbage seed Ariella: seems like there was a decent amount of newbies coming in the last month Ariella: any mention of newbie island coming back? Blueshift: newbie island DisShovel: asks but kinda brushed off as too hard Ariella: newbie island is too hard to bring back? Zildjan: hi all Ariella: hey zildjan InambaGuum: i don't think welcoming island will be back. which is a shame, because i like it. Blueshift: it would spare us endless wood planes adn small distaffs Zildjan: is htere anyone here that still has to come apply to Leadership monument? Zildjan: hehe Zildjan: hi Ariella dear Ariella: hate newbie junk :P Hexi: tzes.. you never was a newbie? *gg* Ariella: anyone gonna run the goods? Drakkett plans on passing an "abandoned wood plane and distaff" law next tale Drakkett: so anyone can tear them down after X days Drakkett: maybe it will pass DisShovel: sounds good, I'm sure we'll get a ballot by August Hexi: hopefully Drakkett: oh, and flimsy brick racks Drakkett: those simple things that ppl build and forget Wampak: back Ariella: learned never to live near an SArt and SArch :P Wampak: oops sorry w/c Hexi: hehe Ariella: wish he would make a permanent Egypt channel Drakkett: yeah, I know living near Sart and Sarch near a CS is like a magnet for them Ariella: and trade channel Drakkett: yeah, it is going to be lonely on Saturday w/o all the chat tabs Ariella: yah Sharae: first guild any one builds should be a chat guild for all egyptians Hexi: oh well... I'm from germany.. so I'm often lonely, but a world chat would be a good solution Ariella: sounds like some old players are coming back...some fed up and won't be back Zildjan: Hexi u just need ot touch base with other german speaking players Zildjan: there is quite a contingent represented in the game Hexi: I know Zildjan, im in Radio Germany ;) but there isn't any german support anymore, so no billing system and therefore not many german players, but: I like to play in english Ariella: anyone know of any italian players in egypt? Drakkett: wine tasting and bonfire in Taygete near the CS. 729, 6065 DisShovel: a big chat guild with no metal ain't much fun either unfortunately .. Eugie: any one hear the clouds go by? InambaGuum: as requested, here's the stuff i captured from the buffer before: InambaGuum: InambaGuum: one trip to VoK: coming up. InambaGuum: sadly i don't have any PB wings. that was nile delta, right? Phoenixwcu: thanks for the flight Asheara: pb was between nd and vok InambaGuum: no prob. oh also, be sure to set a waypoint before you go. i forgot that the event WP only works once. DisShovel: ok so FP was easy, how about Desert of Shades? InambaGuum: there you go InambaGuum: remember how i was trading for wings of horus all telling? i've built up quite a destination library. Pharaoh: 'afternoon. kuupid: so today is the last day of T5? Pharaoh: Well, we're in the last 24 hours of T5 anyway. kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days th InambaGuum: the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re-checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) InambaGuum: kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re- checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) Drakkett: but it did seem that first level was the worst, I got lvl 2-7 on consect catches Drakkett: but 1 took 20-30 hours DisShovel: and the reward for leveling is? Pharaoh: Though I now have lots of data on # of fish caught, # of kinds of fish caught, etc :D Drakkett: and I didn't fish until later in tale Pharaoh: Hehehe InambaGuum: some fish are uncatchable without higher level FF skill, dis Pharaoh: Right Gumby: levels built up so that you got a level on every fish caught to catch up on your level, and the level system was bugged for a

Zildjan: hi all Ariella: hey zildjan InambaGuum: i don't think welcoming island will be back. which is a shame, because i like it. Blueshift: it would spare us endless wood planes adn small distaffs Zildjan: is htere anyone here that still has to come apply to Leadership monument? Zildjan: hehe Zildjan: hi Ariella dear Ariella: hate newbie junk :P Hexi: tzes.. you never was a newbie? *gg* Ariella: anyone gonna run the goods? Drakkett plans on passing an "abandoned wood plane and distaff" law next tale Drakkett: so anyone can tear them down after X days Drakkett: maybe it will pass DisShovel: sounds good, I'm sure we'll get a ballot by August Hexi: hopefully Drakkett: oh, and flimsy brick racks Drakkett: those simple things that ppl build and forget Wampak: back Ariella: learned never to live near an SArt and SArch :P Wampak: oops sorry w/c Hexi: hehe Ariella: wish he would make a permanent Egypt channel Drakkett: yeah, I know living near Sart and Sarch near a CS is like a magnet for them Ariella: and trade channel Drakkett: yeah, it is going to be lonely on Saturday w/o all the chat tabs Ariella: yah Sharae: first guild any one builds should be a chat guild for all egyptians Hexi: oh well... I'm from germany.. so I'm often lonely, but a world chat would be a good solution Ariella: sounds like some old players are coming back...some fed up and won't be back Zildjan: Hexi u just need ot touch base with other german speaking players Zildjan: there is quite a contingent represented in the game Hexi: I know Zildjan, im in Radio Germany ;) but there isn't any german support anymore, so no billing system and therefore not many german players, but: I like to play in english Ariella: anyone know of any italian players in egypt? Drakkett: wine tasting and bonfire in Taygete near the CS. 729, 6065 DisShovel: a big chat guild with no metal ain't much fun either unfortunately .. Eugie: any one hear the clouds go by? InambaGuum: as requested, here's the stuff i captured from the buffer before: InambaGuum: InambaGuum: one trip to VoK: coming up. InambaGuum: sadly i don't have any PB wings. that was nile delta, right? Phoenixwcu: thanks for the flight Asheara: pb was between nd and vok InambaGuum: no prob. oh also, be sure to set a waypoint before you go. i forgot that the event WP only works once. DisShovel: ok so FP was easy, how about Desert of Shades? InambaGuum: there you go InambaGuum: remember how i was trading for wings of horus all telling? i've built up quite a destination library. Pharaoh: 'afternoon. kuupid: so today is the last day of T5? Pharaoh: Well, we're in the last 24 hours of T5 anyway. kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days th InambaGuum: the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re-checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) InambaGuum: kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re- checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) Drakkett: but it did seem that first level was the worst, I got lvl 2-7 on consect catches Drakkett: but 1 took 20-30 hours DisShovel: and the reward for leveling is? Pharaoh: Though I now have lots of data on # of fish caught, # of kinds of fish caught, etc :D Drakkett: and I didn't fish until later in tale Pharaoh: Hehehe InambaGuum: some fish are uncatchable without higher level FF skill, dis Pharaoh: Right Gumby: levels built up so that you got a level on every fish caught to catch up on your level, and the level system was bugged for a long time so that first point increase for anyone was a few months into the tale DisShovel: but you never produce at a higher rate... okkay... InambaGuum: it's pretty much essential to have higher than FF1 if you want to do banquet. banquet menus called for a disproportionate number of rare fish relative to other ingredients. InambaGuum: Blue

Zildjan: hi all Ariella: hey zildjan InambaGuum: i don't think welcoming island will be back. which is a shame, because i like it. Blueshift: it would spare us endless wood planes adn small distaffs Zildjan: is htere anyone here that still has to come apply to Leadership monument? Zildjan: hehe Zildjan: hi Ariella dear Ariella: hate newbie junk :P Hexi: tzes.. you never was a newbie? *gg* Ariella: anyone gonna run the goods? Drakkett plans on passing an "abandoned wood plane and distaff" law next tale Drakkett: so anyone can tear them down after X days Drakkett: maybe it will pass DisShovel: sounds good, I'm sure we'll get a ballot by August Hexi: hopefully Drakkett: oh, and flimsy brick racks Drakkett: those simple things that ppl build and forget Wampak: back Ariella: learned never to live near an SArt and SArch :P Wampak: oops sorry w/c Hexi: hehe Ariella: wish he would make a permanent Egypt channel Drakkett: yeah, I know living near Sart and Sarch near a CS is like a magnet for them Ariella: and trade channel Drakkett: yeah, it is going to be lonely on Saturday w/o all the chat tabs Ariella: yah Sharae: first guild any one builds should be a chat guild for all egyptians Hexi: oh well... I'm from germany.. so I'm often lonely, but a world chat would be a good solution Ariella: sounds like some old players are coming back...some fed up and won't be back Zildjan: Hexi u just need ot touch base with other german speaking players Zildjan: there is quite a contingent represented in the game Hexi: I know Zildjan, im in Radio Germany ;) but there isn't any german support anymore, so no billing system and therefore not many german players, but: I like to play in english Ariella: anyone know of any italian players in egypt? Drakkett: wine tasting and bonfire in Taygete near the CS. 729, 6065 DisShovel: a big chat guild with no metal ain't much fun either unfortunately .. Eugie: any one hear the clouds go by? InambaGuum: as requested, here's the stuff i captured from the buffer before: InambaGuum: InambaGuum: one trip to VoK: coming up. InambaGuum: sadly i don't have any PB wings. that was nile delta, right? Phoenixwcu: thanks for the flight Asheara: pb was between nd and vok InambaGuum: no prob. oh also, be sure to set a waypoint before you go. i forgot that the event WP only works once. DisShovel: ok so FP was easy, how about Desert of Shades? InambaGuum: there you go InambaGuum: remember how i was trading for wings of horus all telling? i've built up quite a destination library. Pharaoh: 'afternoon. kuupid: so today is the last day of T5? Pharaoh: Well, we're in the last 24 hours of T5 anyway. kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days th InambaGuum: the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re-checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) InambaGuum: kuupid: oh my :( Waerloga: wb teppy Pharaoh: T6 Saturday at Noon! kuupid: well, I'll have to play face book until Saturday lol Pharaoh: I already won that game. kuupid: you cheated :) InambaGuum is pretty sure you have the object and the subject reversed there, kuupid kuupid: but we love you anyways Waerloga: teppy, could we get mentoring early in T6 so we can work on retaining more trial players? DisShovel: so it was revealed that you are in fact immortal, the the Head is the result of your last battle InambaGuum: lol Pharaoh: Hey, so someone had a question about fishing. kuupid: can we roast our sheep and chickens on the bonfires? Taemon: Yeah, fishing. The leveling system seems to be bugged. Pharaoh: How so? Blueshift: Yes the leveling system. it's a mystery! how do you gain levels? DisShovel: and people believe bugs are bugged as well Pharaoh: First off, has anyone gained a level? Wampak: am at 26 fishing atm InambaGuum: here's how leveling fishing skill progressed for me: to go from fly fishing 1 to fly fishing 2 took probably about 5k casts (an extremely large number). going from fly fishing 2 to fly fishing 7, however, took about 10 casts. so the question is: what's up with that? Pharaoh: Here's how it works (and seeing that, looks like some serious adjustment is needed!)... Pharaoh: It's based solely on the number of fish that you have caught... Pharaoh: Every 14 days the system says "Time to release a new level of fishing" DisShovel: for each individual or globally Pharaoh: Globally. Pharaoh: It looks at the top 21 fishermen ranked by # of fish caught... Pharaoh: And assumin the #21 person's fish count is higher than the threshold for the last released level, that's the new level requirement. Pharaoh: If it isn't, then it re- checks 24 hours later. InambaGuum: InambaGuum: so it keeps getting more and more expensive globally? Pharaoh: Yes InambaGuum: yikes Drakkett: so if only 20 ppl are fishing, it never goes up eitehr Taemon: Like Funerary Temple. Pharaoh: Drakkett: Correct InambaGuum: there were a lot of arguments and frustration over that this telling Drakkett: and a lot of ppl gave up on fishing InambaGuum: all kinds of wild theories were proposed Drakkett: which prob made it worse InambaGuum: although most of us thought it was just bugged ;) Drakkett: but it did seem that first level was the worst, I got lvl 2-7 on consect catches Drakkett: but 1 took 20-30 hours DisShovel: and the reward for leveling is? Pharaoh: Though I now have lots of data on # of fish caught, # of kinds of fish caught, etc :D Drakkett: and I didn't fish until later in tale Pharaoh: Hehehe InambaGuum: some fish are uncatchable without higher level FF skill, dis Pharaoh: Right Gumby: levels built up so that you got a level on every fish caught to catch up on your level, and the level system was bugged for a long time so that first point increase for anyone was a few months into the tale DisShovel: but you never produce at a higher rate... okkay... InambaGuum: it's pretty much essential to have higher than FF1 if you want to do banquet. banquet menus called for a disproportionate number of rare fish relative to other ingredients. InambaGuum: Blues