Utopia

Utopia

Located South of the CS along the Blue Nile (960,4640)
We are nearly full and happy at 30something

Those wishing to go on a Pilgrimage:

Pligrimage #1
2/13/2011 PASSED 2/21/2011
Leader: Hanid
Windrider
Debbers
Spooner
Kitten
Bucktep
Memes

Pilgrimage #2
Leader: tamb
Sky
Kerain
Inshepsut
Nebhepure
Matk
Truanna

Pilgrimage #3
Leader: Philly
Tetatatten

Mats for 2 tithes each for the seven members are:
28 tilapia
56 brass
420 carrots
280 cc
140 lime
420 flax

This map uses the CondMap template and should not be edited directly. Please see Maps for further details and links to all raw data pages

Those wishing to do a Vigil:

Kitten
Buck
Hanid
Soweto
Teta

MAP

GH = Guild Hall, P = Pottery and papy G = Glass and metal F = Flax S = Stones, Gems and Treatments, R = Raeli Oven, C = Chemical Lab, the rest have cute little icons

Daily supplies

wood, clay, silt, fill brick machines, saw mill, grow things
straw & Onions (keep the animals alive!)

Completed Projects

Sawmill

2 Brick machines

Clinker Vat

Airship

Chemical Vat

Raeli 2 in Alcyone

Essence of Harmony

Shrine of Conflict

Barrel Grinder

Steam Shovel

Limestone Auger

Deep Well

Current Projects

Ancient Automation aka Crawlers

2 Pincher Claws

1 Pincher Axle

500 Oil

5 Lubricating Oil

100 Bearings

3 Large Gears

2 Medium Gears

10 Iron Bars

10 Octec's Alloy Cable

4 Water Metal Sheeting: Conductive Titanium-Plated Purity 5+

1 Random 3 Output Gearbox

1 Random 3 Output Gearbox (Different)

Note: Water Metal Sheeting: Conductive Titanium-Plated Purity 7 did not work, but Water Metal Sheeting: Conductive Stainless Hard Titanium-Plated Purity 5+ worked

Built outside in a Small Construction Site.

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Pipe Segments for Tlifers so we can have aquaduct towers

Cut stones

Gravel

Concrete

Projects

Aquaduct Towers

Materials

Philly

Kitten

Bucktep

Neb

Hanid

Augusta

BL

Teta

CDX

Windrider

Nebkhepure

Spooner

1 Cistern

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5 Copper Pipe (Augusta will make)

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20 Tar

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200 Black Raeli Tiles

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100 White Raeli Tiles

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50 Yellowish Raeli Tiles

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50 Reddish Raeli Tiles

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50 Greenish Raeli Tiles

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50 Blueish Raeli Tiles

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100 Concrete (Cj will run another cement mix in the near future)

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Construct. site mats

BUILT!

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BUILT!

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BUILT!

Mines

We currently have:

Copper 1860, 4323
1855, 4323
1721, 4853

Zinc 535, 4514

Lead 693, 4571

Iron 549, 5158

Other Mine Locations:

Iron: Taygete 1179 6084

Plat/alum: Celaeno -2222 1013

Useful Information

Cabbage/Leeks: Taygete 1558 7371

Papy Mtn: Taygete 1232 4258

Tar: Taygete 1503 4329

Cooking from Scratch with Ruby

taught to Kitten, Talos and Hanid on April 7, 2011

Ruby: I will answer your questions to the best of my knowledge, lol, but just know that I am not claiming that I know everything about cooking, this is just my experience with it.

Ruby: How much do you guys know so far?

Hanid: I know there are bases and additives

Kitten: yea and 7 dbs per serving

Hanid: I guess what I need to first understand is do herb stats match up with what will result in cooking? For instance, clovers tend to add speed if you eat them from the ground. Do they also add speed if you cook with them?

Ruby: I think it is a guideline

Ruby: so if adds speed you can assume it will in cooking too, but not always. It depends on what you mix it with.

Ruby: You will need the following 2 wikipages:

http://www.dachannien.org/atitd/cooking.php

http://3trends.com/tefnut/

Ruby: X,Y is coords on the cooking grid

Ruby: do you both have 7 gastro points?

Kitten: i do

Hanid: yes, why?

Ruby: So you can “critically evaluate this dish” in the kitchen. Now open kitchen menu and pin it

Ruby: clean out the cook pot - do this before making new dish if it has been used

Ruby: Show the recipe - when you have made a dish you can view your recipe here

Ruby: even before it's done, just to see what you have put in

Kitten: that i didn’t know

Ruby: also, show the recipe will show the recipe to anyone as long as there are servings in the kitchen or when it's empty and it has not been cleaned out

Hanid: Can you somehow add to the recipe to this before adding ingredients?

Ruby: no, during the making of a recipe it shows what is in the pot

Hanid: Oh that is helpful

Ruby: also, it shows the recipe to anyone as long as there are servings in the kitchen or while it's empty and it has not been cleaned out Ruby: ok, now

Ruby: mix to add ingredients

Ruby: you will get up a list of what is in your inventory

Ruby: so when you read a recipe from wiki

Ruby: all you do is click mix

Ruby: and add

Ruby: then cook

Kitten nods

Hanid: so far so good

Ruby: a recipe must be at least 7 db

Ruby: 7 db = 1 serving

Ruby: so 14 db = 2 servings

Ruby: 21 db = 3 servings, etc

Hanid: Can all 7 db be the same mat?

Ruby: no

Ruby: 1 servings is made up of a base and an additive = a pair

Ruby: how many bases you can add is based on your cooking lvl

Ruby: Kitten, you have lvl 4

Ruby: so you can make a recipe that has 4 bases + additives

Kitten: yep

Hanid: Could it be 7 different things? Or can it be any combination of 7 as long as it is at least 1 base?

Ruby: the base should be higher quantity then additive

Ruby: no

Ruby: base should be higher quantity then additive

Ruby: a serving can be made of 6 base : 1 additive

Ruby: 5 base : 2 additive

Ruby: or 4 base : 3 additive

Ruby: the base in a pair is always the same mats

Ruby: for example

Ruby: you can have 6 abdju meat and 1 sugar cane

Ruby: the 6 abdju meat is the base

Ruby: and the 1 sugar cane is the additive

Ruby: or 5 abdju meat and 2 sugar cane, or 4 abdju meat and 3 sugar cane - but it adds up to 7 db = 1 serving

Ruby: ok, so for simplicity, just use 6 base and 1 additive, it also saves on herbs and better in my opinion

Ruby: any questions so far?

Ruby: so do you both understand how to use a recipe from wiki?

Hanid: Pick the recipe that has the right stats and within the cooking level

Ruby: and just mix, add and cook

Kitten: yep

Ruby: next the cooking grid

Kitten: ok

Ruby: we need to use the cooking grid to find the bases and additives that work together

Ruby: if they are too far apart on the grid you will just get 0 on all stats and no duration

Ruby: and no dish, lol

Ruby: on the grid we have the foods that have been tested so far, thanks to arame and tefnut

Ruby: herbs in pink

Ruby: foods like veggies, fish and grains in blue

Ruby: and shrooms in orange

Ruby: ok, so you can use foods, herbs and shrooms as base

Ruby: some foods as additive, and all herbs and shrooms as additive

Ruby: I prefer to use herbs only as additive to save on their stats as they drop with overuse

Hanid: Interesting

Ruby: so just to make it simple for now, use fish, grains, shrooms or veggies as base and herbs as additive

Kitten: k

Hanid: k

talos: Question

Ruby: yes ?

talos: Is the coords relative to a random starting spot? Or it is absolute in a specific vector space?

Ruby: I am not sure how that works exactly, you might want to chat tefnut about that

talos: lol i have many more. I must make my cooking tool someday

talos: http://atitd.heroku.com/

Ruby: on the left side of the grid you have all the foods and herbs tested listed with coords

Ruby: Lets look for a herb on the grid

http://3trends.com/tefnut/

Ruby: Find sagar ghota for example

Hanid: OK

Ruby: find it in the list on the left side

Ruby: and write down the coords

Ruby: see it?

Kitten: got it

Ruby: what's the coords?

Kitten: -157.15, -77.78

Ruby: yes Ruby: the first coords, -157.15 is the X

Ruby: now , to move around in the grid, click on the double arrow on the top and pull the grid around with the cursor

Ruby: find -157,15 on the x or horizontal line, then -77, 78 is the y

Kitten: i see it now

Ruby: see it hanid?

Ruby: talos?

Hanid: Oh got it

Ruby: good

talos: I use my tool i just need the math formulas ;)

Kitten: :P~

Ruby: hehe, ok

Ruby: ok, so now we have an additive but we need a base

Ruby: so for base we use fish, grains, shrooms and veggies

talos: My question is : Give a pair that have an Eucledian norm X and a set of attributes

talos: How can i get the stats

Ruby: lol, sorry talos, I can't answer that

talos: ~is real cooking so a quick list of questions just in case

talos: i. How multiple additive works

talos: ii. How you calculate the coords of an unknown ingredient

Kitten: talos needs the adv class

talos: iii. How you calcultae the potency

Ruby: not sure talos, you might want to have a chat with tefnut about that

talos: ok ;)

Ruby: arame is the one that did the original grid, but he does not play anymore, but tefnut has done the latest addings so I am sure she can answer you

talos: but have months to updated

talos: My tool btw is easier for newbies to get the basics

Ruby:Write down the coords and use it to find the herb or food you are looking for in the grid

Ruby: when you have found the herb, try to find the base to match it with

Ruby: one that is not too far away

Ruby: any suggestions for sagar ghota?

Kitten: so in this case medusa fish would be closest?

Ruby: yes

Hanid: medusa fish?

Ruby: but you can test all those around

Hanid: test as in cook with them?

Ruby: dark wheat too

Ruby: I would go as far as grilled eggplant

Ruby: well, this the problem hanid, this one herb, sagar ghota, will give different stats with different bases

Hanid: so if you had skill would you use elegia as a second additive?

Ruby: no

Ruby: you would find another pair not too close

Ruby: an additive will match up with the closest base in the recipe

Hanid: I think I jumped ahead, sorry

Ruby: yeah, I know some use more the one additive for the same base, but lets leave that out for simplicity

Hanid: On what would basis would you choose one base over another? Is it strictly proximity??

Ruby: no, not only

Ruby: you would prefer to have it as close as possible, but that's not always the one giving the best stats

Ruby: proximity is important for duration

Hanid: Oh

Hanid: Just wondering if there was a reason to start with sagar ghota?

Ruby: lol, no

Ruby: I just picked one

Hanid: Is there any way one can tell from the grid what stats might happen?

Ruby: no

Ruby: but I will get to that

Hanid: ok Ruby: did you get sagar ghota + 6 oyster meat?

Kitten: does it mater which order you add ingredients?

Ruby: no

Ruby: I just wanted you to understand that different stats will occur with same herb but different bases

Hanid: OK

Ruby: ok, next MP's

Kitten: k

Ruby: to get MP's you need high duration

Ruby: you get high duration by mixing base + additive that is close

Kitten: k

Ruby: for example, as a general rule, sagar ghota + medusafish would get higher duration then sagar ghota + oyster

Ruby: some foods and herbs are stronger then others, so that is just a general rule

Ruby: so at lvl 4, I would pick 4 pairs

Ruby: each pair should have close base + additive

Ruby: you won't always get MP even with high duration, so if you don't, just try again

Ruby: some pairs are better then others for MP's

Ruby: so at lvl 4, with 4 pairs and you have an MP, keep 3 pairs and add a new one

Ruby: keep taking out one pair and adding another

Kitten: k

Ruby: also 4:3 works well for mp's

Ruby: or even 2:1, just keep in mind that 1 serving = 7 db's

Hanid: How do you do 2:1 and get 7db? 14:7?

Ruby: no, you do 3 pairs, each with 2 base and 1 additive

Ruby: (2+1)3 = 9

Hanid: that is 9db yes so . . .

Ruby: and 1 serving is 7 db so you just loose a bit of mats

Hanid: anything over 7db? not exactly 7db?

Ruby: yeah, 7-13 will give you 1

Ruby: and 14-20 will give you 2 servings

Hanid: I am learning a lot :-)

Ruby: 21 is 3 servings, nothing in between

Ruby: so when you make a dish, it's good to keep in mind that it should be divisable by 7

Ruby: you can also use more base and less additive if you cook for many and want many servings

Hanid: So for those of us who are interested in stat improvement, how do we figure that out?

Ruby: yes, that's a bit more complicated

Ruby: first

Ruby: I use this one http://www.dachannien.org/atitd/cooking.php

Ruby: talos has one too, http://atitd.heroku.com/ I am just used to dachs

Ruby: this will give an idea of what herbs is + or - the different stats

Ruby: no numbers

Ruby: you go to the search area and you can click the filter

Ruby: try with just one

Ruby: like end

Hanid: OK

Ruby: this is just a guideline to use so that you have an idea of what stats it will give

Ruby: you can find a herb and mix with a base from the cooking grid

Ruby: you can find 4 pairs that way and cook a recipe that most likely will give good stats for end

Ruby: but - if one wants to know for sure what stats a pair give

Ruby: you have to test them

Ruby: each one

Ruby: I do that

Ruby: since I know that one herb will give different stats with different bases

Hanid: do you always start with an herb?

Ruby: I used to, but now if I sometimes start with base and work my way around with all the herbs around it

Ruby: like cocoa , didn't have that when I first started charting the stats

Hanid: OK

Hanid: would you ever start with something like that and find a close herb?

Ruby: yes, and with fish

Ruby: doesn't matter really, the point is just to test the pairs

Ruby: and I always test 6:1

Ruby: when you find pairs on the grid, make sure they are not too close to each other or they will interact

Hanid: I heard that recipes become less potent with use

Hanid: Is that true?

Ruby: yes, that's true

Ruby: but -

Ruby: also, in my experience, the more herbs you use, the more it drops

Ruby: so if you use higher base, less herbs, slower drop in stats

Hanid: So to review a bit

Hanid: First search for the stat herb/food

Ruby: yes

Hanid: then go to the grid and find pair

Ruby: yes

Hanid: in increments of at least 7 with base more than additive

Ruby: find the herbs you want to use, find a base fairly close on the grid

Ruby: right

Hanid: You make it sound so easy roflmao

Ruby: lol

Ruby: the hard part is testing the pairs

Ruby: then matching afterwards

Ruby: but, one can also just pick from the stats page and just pick a base and cook with that

Ruby: I mean, find the pairs and cook, without testing each pair first

Hanid: How predictable are the outcomes from the stats page?

Ruby: well, you should for sure get + stats

Ruby: but it depends on how lucky you are really

Ruby: with the ones you pick

Hanid: and how overused some herbs are?

Ruby: yes

Ruby: then they will have lost stats and duration too maybe

Hanid: So for example common herbs may be less useful?

Ruby: right, in general, the rarer the herbs the better duration

Ruby: but they also had less potency from start as far as I know

Kitten: so do all vmy 4 pairnings need to be close?

Ruby: the base + additive should be close, each pair should not be close

Ruby: when you guys cook

Ruby: you can critically view, will show stats + duration

Ruby: if you have 2 pairs too close, they might pair up differently then you wanted them too

Ruby: oh and one more thing

Ruby: if you do start testing pairs, write them down, all the stats and duration

Ruby: then when you want a dish with say + dex

Ruby: you pick the ones from the book with your tested pairs

Ruby: and what I do is that I add the stats of the pairs

Ruby: it gives an idea of how much the final stats will be

Hanid: do you ever add similar stat pairs?

Hanid: Say 2 end pairs

Ruby: sure

Ruby: I add 7 end pairs if I want an end recipe

Hanid: and will that bump up end or does it increase duration or none of the above?

Ruby: it will bump up end and duration

Ruby: but not like you can add all the numbers and that is what you will get

Ruby: for example

Ruby: you can add 7 pairs that have 40 min duration separately

Ruby: you will not get a dish that lasts 280 min

Ruby: but maybe close to 2 hours

Ruby: same with stats

Ruby: you can add all the end stats of 7 pairs

Ruby: and it could be 70 together

Ruby: and the dish would have + 27 end approx

Ruby: 50 would be about 20

Ruby: and the lower you get, the less difference in stats

Ruby: follow?

Hanid: yes It isn't the total but higher than the individuals

Ruby: when I cook a dish

Ruby: I have all the stats for each pair written down

Ruby: in my book

Ruby: so if I make and end recipe

Ruby: I add all the end stats of all the 7 pairs

Ruby: one pair might have +9 end, another +11 etc

Ruby: then I sum it up

Ruby: to give me an idea of the stats of the whole dish

Ruby: I usually just care about 1 to 3 stats

Hanid: so 3 10+ stat level pairs will not produce 30 but more than 10

Ruby: right 30 might give you 14-15

Ruby: the sum of the stats for all the pairs will be much higher then what you get when you cook them together

Hanid: I found recipes for a 4 pairing equaling 14"+ and a 3 pairing equaling 18+. I used the 3 pairing because it was cheaper

Ruby: 4:3?

Hanid: yes I think so

Ruby: yeah, that will give higher stats at first

Ruby: because in general herbs are more potent

Ruby: but

Ruby: the more they are used the faster they lose potency

Ruby: so it's ok for a few to cook that way

Ruby: but at zfree, we go through a lot so I can't do that

Hanid: It sucks the potency out of 2 herbs rather than 1?

Ruby: I'm not sure exactly how fast it will lose

Ruby: but I saw it very clearly at zfree when I cooked the dex food 6:1

Ruby: I had to change the recipes quite often because they lost potency

Ruby: now I have cooked the same dex recipe with 28/1 for a while and it's stable

Hanid: wait 28 base 1 herb?

Ruby: yes

Ruby: for bigger pots

Hanid: wow

Ruby: that's 29 servings, we eat that in 2 days lol

Hanid: so it just needs to be in increments, as long as there is 1 herb?

Ruby: but, if will loose a bit of stats at first, not the herb, but the dish

Ruby: yes, you can cook 13:1

Ruby: 20:1

Ruby: and of course you can double recipes, then they won't loose stats

Ruby: like, you can take a 6:1 recipe

Ruby: and you want 21 servings

Ruby: so you make 18:3

Hanid: or would you make it 20:1 would that work as well?

Ruby: you can make 20:1 if you want to save on the herbs, but then it would lose a bit

Ruby: Please remember that I am not claiming that I know everything about cooking, this is just my experience with it

Hanid: LOL

Hanid: I think you do :-)

Ruby: lol, ty

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Equipment

Flax House:

Autogins

Autoloom

Distaffs

Scarabs

Silkworms

Kitchen

Barrels and Tasting Table

Pigment Lab

Metals and Glass

Forges and Master Forge

Casting and Master Casting boxes

Glass blowing and making equipment

Gyro and compresson furnaces

2 types of cc furnaces

Tubs and small tubs for salts

Barrel Maker

Reactories

Annex

Wood treatment

Bijou table

Crematory

Stone cutters and grinders

Pottery Barn

Pottery wheels

Brick racks

Kilns

Papy presses

Greenhouses

Limestone Auger, 1150, 4807 ( NE of Utopia, across road )
Steam Shovel ( located at Taygete Utopia tile oven site)

OVENS

Oven 1 858, 4568 Taygete WH built guild: Utopia Burn (Y/N) Time (in min.) Color Tiles # of Tiles In Oven N 2 min White 0 N 5 min snow 0 N 9 min linen 0 N 14 min beige 0 N 16 min antique white 0 N 20 min gainsboro 0 N 32 min light grey wheat 0 N 34 min silver 0 N 40 min tan 0 N 56 min dark khaki 0 N 58 min feldspar 0 N min peru 0 N 97 min sienna 0 N min dark olive green 0 N min dark slate grey 0 N min black 0 2ND OVEN 1455, 2290 (AC1 at serenity) white snow white smoke honey dew beige gainesboro light grey silver dark sea green medium sea green sea green dark olive green dark slate grey Black 3rd OVEN -1673, 6083 Merope ( South of cs, just south of Thought U ) White Mint Cream, 2 min Azure, 3 min Light Cyan, 7 min Pale Turquoise, 18 min Aquamarine, 35 min Turquoise, 46 min Aqua, 59 min Dark Turquoise, 70 min Light sea Green, 81 min Dark Cyan, 88 min Teal, 99 min Dark Slate Gray, 111 min Black, 125 min COLORS In Stock Color In Warehouse Can burn in Utopia ovens Alice Blue 0 n Antique White 0 858, 4568 Tay Aqua 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Aquamarine 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Azure 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Beige 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Bisque 0 n Black 0 All Blanched Almond 0 n Blue 0 n Blue Violet 0 n Brown 0 n Burly Wood 0 n Cadet Blue 0 n Carrot 0 n Chartreuse 0 n Chocolate 0 n Coral 0 n Cornflower Blue 0 n Cornsilk 0 n Crimson 0 n Dark Blue 0 n Dark Cyan 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Dark Golden Rod 0 n Dark Gray 0 n Dark Green 0 n Dark Khaki 0 858, 4568 Tay Dark Magenta 0 n Dark Olive Green 0 1455, 2290 AC1 Dark Orange 0 n Dark Orchid 0 n Dark Red 0 n Dark Salmon 0 n Dark Sea Green 0 1455, 2290 AC1 Dark Slate Blue 0 n Dark Slate Gray 0 858, 4568 Taygete, 1455, 2290 AC1, -1673, 6083 Merope Dark Turquoise 0 Dark Violet 0 n Deep Pink 0 n Deep Sky Blue 0 n Dim Gray 0 n Dodger Blue 0 n Feldspar 0 858, 4568 Tay Fire Brick 0 n Floral White 0 n Forest Green 0 n Fuchsia 0 n Gainsboro 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Ghost White 0 n Gold 0 n Golden Rod 0 n Gray 0 n Green 0 n Green Yellow 0 n Honey Dew 0 1455, 2290 AC1 Hot Pink 0 n Indian Red 0 n Indigo 0 n Ivory 0 n Khaki 0 n Lavender 0 n Lavender Blush 0 n Lawn Green 0 n Lemon Chiffon 0 n Light Blue 0 n Light Coral 0 n Light Cyan 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Light Golden Rod Yellow 0 n Light Green 0 n Light Grey 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Light Pink 0 n Light Salmon 0 n Light Sea Green 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Light Sky Blue 0 n Light Slate Blue 0 n Light Slate Gray 0 n Light Steel Blue 0 n Light Yellow 0 n Lime 0 n Lime Green 0 n Linen 0 858, 4568 Tay Maroon 0 n Medium Aquamarine 0 n Medium Blue 0 n Medium Orchid 0 n Medium Purple 0 n Medium Sea Green 0 1455, 2290 AC1 Medium Slate Blue 0 n Medium Spring Green 0 n Medium Turquoise 0 n Medium Violet Red 0 n Midnight Blue 0 n Mint Cream 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Misty Rose 0 n Moccasin 0 n NavajoWhite 0 n Navy 0 n Old Lace 0 n Olive 0 n Olive Drab 0 n Orange 0 n Orange Red 0 n Orchid 0 n Pale Golden Rod 0 n Pale Green 0 n Pale Turquoise 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Pale Violet Red 0 n Papaya Whip 0 n Peach Puff 0 n Peru 0 858, 4568 Tay Pink 0 n Plum 0 n Powder Blue 0 n Purple 0 n Red 0 n Rosy Brown 0 n Royal Blue 0 n Saddle Brown 0 n Salmon 0 n Sandy Brown 0 n Sea Green 0 1455, 2290 AC1 Sea Shell 0 n Sienna 0 858, 4568 Tay Silver 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Sky Blue 0 n Slate Blue 0 n Slate Gray 0 n Snow 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Spring Green 0 n Steel Blue 0 n Tan 0 858, 4568 Tay Teal 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Thistle 0 n Tomato 0 n Turquoise 0 -1673, 6083 Merope Violet 0 n Violet Red 0 n Wheat 0 858, 4568 Tay White 0 All White Smoke 0 858, 4568 Tay, 1455, 2290 AC1 Yellow 0 n Yellow Green 0 n